Fro Joy Babe Ruth Cards

[Clutch-Hitter]

Here's a previous thread: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...t=1928+fro+joy

Are the two Fro Joys pictured at the end of that thread authentic? The thread stated the small reverse border should be solid, no gaps at the corners, yet those two were pictured at the end as if authentic.

I personally think they stopped grading them because some counterfeits got holdered.

Maybe PSA should stop grading W516's too: http://cgi.ebay.com/1910-W-UNC-Tris-...item5641b17b91

[Clutch-Hitter]

Authentic or not? This card has not been sent to a grading company:

[Leon]

Hey Greg
I have never seen one that I thought was real have those dots on the borders. I have certainly been wrong on these before but do think I get it correct most of the times. At minimum it was hand cut from one of those full sheets. For the several I have ever seen graded and slabbed none have had those "dots" borders. I am going to lean as not authentic but not 100% on it. If you have it in hand does the paper have uneven gloss, even gloss, or no gloss? Does the paper feel smooth or rough? Those attributes can help identify it....

[Clutch-Hitter]

I bought it, received it, held it, deemed it counterfeit, received a refund with shipping. The seller would not provide his return address so I could send it back, although he would've had to send money for return shipping, or better yet come get it himself!

It was listed as being sold from Miss but shipped from just south of my location in Alabama.

The seller claimed he had it for many years.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

I bought it, received it, held it, deemed it counterfeit, received a refund with shipping. The seller would not provide his return address so I could send it back, although he would've had to send money for return shipping, or better yet come get it himself!

It was listed as being sold from Miss but shipped from just south of my location in Alabama.

The seller claimed he had it for many years.

I think many of these types of reprints, cutouts, fakes etc.....originated in the early 1980's....so he definitely could have had it for 20+ years. I think the one you showed was definitely cut from a sheet and the real sheets are very scarce. I would go with your opinion on this one..... regards

[vintagecpa]

I would love to hear more information about a plate that was found and additional cards were printed after 1928. I wonder how many other plates exist from other issues.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by vintagecpa

I wonder how many other plates exist from other issues.

I'm also intrigued by this.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagecpa

I would love to hear more information about a plate that was found and additional cards were printed after 1928. I wonder how many other plates exist from other issues.

I would love to hear more too. As far as other printing plates existing I have not heard any stories about them. regards

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hey Greg
I have never seen one that I thought was real have those dots on the borders. I have certainly been wrong on these before but do think I get it correct most of the times. At minimum it was hand cut from one of those full sheets. For the several I have ever seen graded and slabbed none have had those "dots" borders. I am going to lean as not authentic but not 100% on it. If you have it in hand does the paper have uneven gloss, even gloss, or no gloss? Does the paper feel smooth or rough? Those attributes can help identify it....

The counterfeit I have is smooth. I'm not sure what to look for in the gloss. The paper is not 1928, definitely not 20's paper/cardboard.

While I think the scan looks good and a photo would look good, it's obviously a counterfeit when holding it in person. I'm going to get my camera out later and get some good close up shots in an effort to replicate those close ups of the texture in the older thread.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Here's a comparison with the Legendary Auctions card included:

Order left to right:
1. Legendary Auctions (from Frank's link)
2. Legendary Auctions with auto correct (because original had too much exposure)
3. Definitely Authentic
4. Reprint/Counterfeit

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Backs:

1. Legendary Auctions
2. Authentic
3. Reprint/Counterfeit

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If you have a known authentic, please post a scan/photo of the front and back.