Beware Carterscards2006

Peter_Spaeth · #1 02-21-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Guys- there is one way to look at this. A hundred years from now, who will give a @#$%?

Or 2 days from now.

Ease · #2 02-21-2011, 08:22 PM

Or RIGHT NOW! very entertaining thread though.

CMIZ5290 · #3 02-21-2011, 08:25 PM

Are we done?

CMIZ5290 · #4 02-21-2011, 08:29 PM

I will say this, i think the posting of the newspaper article was somewhat uncalled for (PUP). Carters had excellent feedback on many transactions until this incident. No need to go that far back in a man's past. What's the saying? What goes around......

Jim VB · #5 02-21-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I will say this, i think the posting of the newspaper article was somewhat uncalled for (PUP). Carters had excellent feedback on many transactions until this incident. No need to go that far back in a man's past. What's the saying? What goes around......

I disagree. When sellers in the hobby have been convicted of felonies like embezzlement (or, in the case of others, fraud or even rape), I think we have a right to know who we are buying from.

ChiefBenderForever · #6 02-21-2011, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I will say this, i think the posting of the newspaper article was somewhat uncalled for (PUP). Carters had excellent feedback on many transactions until this incident. No need to go that far back in a man's past. What's the saying? What goes around......

All the more reason to keep a low profile and respond to upset customers who might get extremely upset and go venting in public, exposing possible shilling, bringing up public records that might include embezzling 1.6 million dollars. The domino effect could've been avoided with a simple response, a response from someone who claims great customer service. What we've got here is failure to communicate.

#7 02-22-2011, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I will say this, i think the posting of the newspaper article was somewhat uncalled for (PUP). Carters had excellent feedback on many transactions until this incident. No need to go that far back in a man's past. What's the saying? What goes around......

What do you have for me Kevin. What is coming around?? Not sure but you sound like you may be threatening me here. May not be the best suggestion. I don't file lawsuits. HINT HINT. Never had an issue with you in the past and would like to keep it that way. So I hope I am reading that comment out of context.

All I see here is a bad deal in which Todd got a bad card and a seller that will not respond to a simple request but then has some incriminating evidence of shilling and has a nasty past history. I have my beef with Carters from a few yrs back anyways. This info just seemed to fit the bill here.

Who cares if Todd was to submit to PSA, Beckett, and SGC for opinions and they all came back Evidence of Tampering. Does this change the simple fact that the seller is refusing to speak with him in regards to this incident. This would indicate guilt typically.

#8 02-22-2011, 06:55 AM

Great news Todd. Carters contacted me via ebay last night wanting to know "Are you Andrew". Even better news is that on of our board members directed him here to read this and what has been posted about him. Why he chose to contact me is unknownconfused: Paul you should contact Tood and not me.

CMIZ5290 · #9 02-22-2011, 07:45 AM

Andrew- i did not mean anything personally. I absolutely have no beef with you at all. As far as past legal issues with the seller, maybe members do need to know about that. I just felt like with the card already being graded, that point might not have been necessary. I do agree on the lack of communication, no excuse for that if that is what happened. Sorry for any things said taken the wrong way. I think that this thread has brought out alot of negative things, and maybe emotions got the best of alot of us.

nolemmings · #10 02-22-2011, 07:24 PM

wow, where to start? How about this-- since most everyone seems to say that seller did a poor job of communicating, but some think that's just a minor transgression in the overall scheme of things, ask yourself this: What if paragraph 3 of this explanation--the nefarious Todd description-- is nothing but made up BS? Do you want to do business with someone who will outright lie about you on a public forum?

Let's look at this again

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Within 2 days after Todd won this card, we were contacted by 2 other very reputable sellers (who WILL remain anonymous) and warned us that Todd may want to return the card down the road if things "don't work out" with either SGC or PSA. To make this more clear, Todd purchases GAI graded cards for 20% of their value (since we ALL know the risks associated with GAI) and if the cards cross to SGC or PSA he 5X his money. If they do not, he asks for a refund. In other words in this transaction, Todd either turns his $1,000 into $5,000 or gets his original investment back. Call us crazy, but this is clearly a scam. Because Todd pulls this act with ONLY very reputable sellers, he figures they will not want the hassle he may create (as he did here) and therefore they will return the money and he can't lose.

First and as noted, how on Earth could any seller know my ebay movements --that I won this or any other auction? The entire process is anonymous, bidders and winners, yet not one but two sellers (very reputable no less) contacted him. Really--you seriously buy this?

Second, why would anyone care about what I buy on ebay, i.e. what would motivate anyone to track or give a damn about what I'm doing. You can look at my feedback, what do I average, a handful of purchases a month? 2 in the last 60 days. Yet these two dealers were motivated to watch me (again, we have no clue how this could even be done) and warn this seller about me within 2 days of auction's end. Again--you really buying this?

Third and speaking of feedback, you'll see this seller left me a positive 4 days after the auction ended. Now if you've been warned about me and my scamming ways just two days after the auction, why wouldn't you hold off on feedback until you saw if I was going to pull something on you too? After all, just two days earlier you're given a heads up, but you go ahead and leave me a positive anyway. Does that make sense?

So if you believe that this guy is a flat-out liar, and a malicious one at that, do you still want to do business with him? In the future, would you want to know about such people earlier, later or not all? I will have more in a few minutes, but wanted to get this part out there first.

vintagetoppsguy · #11 02-21-2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Or 2 days from now.

Oh, I promise you it will get a lot better tomorrow. A little birdie told me so.

CMIZ5290 · #12 02-21-2011, 08:45 PM

David- somehow or another, i believe you.

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