Beware Carterscards2006

[CMIZ5290]

I will say this, i think the posting of the newspaper article was somewhat uncalled for (PUP). Carters had excellent feedback on many transactions until this incident. No need to go that far back in a man's past. What's the saying? What goes around......

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I will say this, i think the posting of the newspaper article was somewhat uncalled for (PUP). Carters had excellent feedback on many transactions until this incident. No need to go that far back in a man's past. What's the saying? What goes around......

I disagree. When sellers in the hobby have been convicted of felonies like embezzlement (or, in the case of others, fraud or even rape), I think we have a right to know who we are buying from.

[ChiefBenderForever]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I will say this, i think the posting of the newspaper article was somewhat uncalled for (PUP). Carters had excellent feedback on many transactions until this incident. No need to go that far back in a man's past. What's the saying? What goes around......

All the more reason to keep a low profile and respond to upset customers who might get extremely upset and go venting in public, exposing possible shilling, bringing up public records that might include embezzling 1.6 million dollars. The domino effect could've been avoided with a simple response, a response from someone who claims great customer service. What we've got here is failure to communicate.

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I will say this, i think the posting of the newspaper article was somewhat uncalled for (PUP). Carters had excellent feedback on many transactions until this incident. No need to go that far back in a man's past. What's the saying? What goes around......

What do you have for me Kevin. What is coming around?? Not sure but you sound like you may be threatening me here. May not be the best suggestion. I don't file lawsuits. HINT HINT. Never had an issue with you in the past and would like to keep it that way. So I hope I am reading that comment out of context.

All I see here is a bad deal in which Todd got a bad card and a seller that will not respond to a simple request but then has some incriminating evidence of shilling and has a nasty past history. I have my beef with Carters from a few yrs back anyways. This info just seemed to fit the bill here.

Who cares if Todd was to submit to PSA, Beckett, and SGC for opinions and they all came back Evidence of Tampering. Does this change the simple fact that the seller is refusing to speak with him in regards to this incident. This would indicate guilt typically.

Great news Todd. Carters contacted me via ebay last night wanting to know "Are you Andrew". Even better news is that on of our board members directed him here to read this and what has been posted about him. Why he chose to contact me is unknownconfused: Paul you should contact Tood and not me.

[CMIZ5290]

Andrew- i did not mean anything personally. I absolutely have no beef with you at all. As far as past legal issues with the seller, maybe members do need to know about that. I just felt like with the card already being graded, that point might not have been necessary. I do agree on the lack of communication, no excuse for that if that is what happened. Sorry for any things said taken the wrong way. I think that this thread has brought out alot of negative things, and maybe emotions got the best of alot of us.

[Carterscards2006]

This is our first and last post on this site. We are not going to get ourselves involved in this circus that this thread has apparently become. The only reason we are even posting is to make everyone aware of what actually is going on here. For those customers of ours that have had nothing but positive experiences with us, thank you for your continued business and support.

In terms of the original post here from Todd, this is our position. We have been on ebay for over 10 years and have successfully completed 4,200+ transactions without a single incident. Each and every time we have an unsatisfied customer, we make it right immediately (as can clearly be seen in our feedback and our 5.0 star communication). For those that question our communication and customer service, our 5.0 perfect star rating should quickly end that discussion. Having said that, there is a point where an honest, customer service based business can get taken advantage of, and this is one of those instances. So ... here is the situation in a nutshell.

Within 2 days after Todd won this card, we were contacted by 2 other very reputable sellers (who WILL remain anonymous) and warned us that Todd may want to return the card down the road if things "don't work out" with either SGC or PSA. To make this more clear, Todd purchases GAI graded cards for 20% of their value (since we ALL know the risks associated with GAI) and if the cards cross to SGC or PSA he 5X his money. If they do not, he asks for a refund. In other words in this transaction, Todd either turns his $1,000 into $5,000 or gets his original investment back. Call us crazy, but this is clearly a scam. Because Todd pulls this act with ONLY very reputable sellers, he figures they will not want the hassle he may create (as he did here) and therefore they will return the money and he can't lose.

Well, we have decided to be the ones to stand up for the sellers out there and make a statement. See, we delivered the EXACT CARD that was described in the auction to Todd. He knew EXACTLY what he would be receiving and he knew EXACTLY what the risks were of purchasing a GAI graded card. Todd is a very smart person and has been a collector for a long time. He knows this exact same card in an SGC or PSA holder is worth many times what he paid. He also knows that he got this card at a huge discount because it was in a GAI holder and that there are implied risks of purchasing GAI graded cards. However, as he has done in the past, he figured if he sent the card off to SGC or PSA and they concluded there may be an issue, we would quickly refund his money. This time, Todd, you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

We want to point that many times buyers are unhappy for a myriad of reasons. In fact, 3 weeks ago a gentleman purchased $4,000+ worth of cards from us and emailed us 1 week later stating that his wife became ill and he really needed his money back for the cards to help with the doctor bills that were coming. He overnighted the cards back and we paypalled him his money back within 5 minutes of the receipt of the cards. If customers are honest and straight forward with us, we will always be with them. However, if customers are looking to "take advantage of us because we are honest sellers" we will not stand for this. As many of you have pointed out, we could have clearly refunded Todd his money and relisted the card. However, in doing so, we would be enabling Todd to take advantage of other sellers in the future and ultimately this behavior affects everyone in the hobby as prices have to be raised and sellers become less willing to work with their buyers.

To wrap things up, we just want to address the communication thing. When buyers out there are in the business of taking advantage of good sellers (like us), they DO NOT deserve the courtesy of our time to communicate back with them. As we have pointed out and another poster has pointed out, Todd knew exactly what he was doing here and clearly did not deserve any return communication from us. We quickly sent the claim to ebay and will let them deal with this. We just hope that this whole circus comes to an end and other buyers out there stay honest with us good sellers and we promise to return the favor.

Carterscards2006 will continue to ALWAYS provide each and every customer with top notch customer service and we will ALWAYS put the customer first as long as they do not try to deceive us. Our feedback proves that we have never had a dissatisfied customer in 10 years and 4,200+ transactions and you have our word we will continue to do provide the same first class service in the future.

Thank you, once again, to all of our great customers out there and we look forward to dealing with all of you for many years to come!!!

[ChiefBenderForever]

So there is a network of sellers who are tracking each and every move Todd makes and then warn other sellers he might back out, not one but two sellers ? So if GAI only sell for 20% of PSA or SGC, why wouldn't the seller cross them and get 80% more?

[CMIZ5290]

Come on johnny, can't this damn thing just die????

[chaddurbin]

are "highly reputable sellers" able to see the high bids of each auction? must be a new ebay feature i'm not aware of.

from corresponding with todd the past 7-8 years this type of action would be the opposite of something i'd imagine him doing. he hardly ever sell anything and i'm not sure with his job he'd have time to scheme or if it's even worth his time.

re:gai's stigma...yea makes sense to leave it in the holder selling for 20% and giving bidders free shots

[Robextend]

Originally Posted by Carterscards2006

To wrap things up, we just want to address the communication thing. When buyers out there are in the business of taking advantage of good sellers (like us), they DO NOT deserve the courtesy of our time to communicate back with them. As we have pointed out and another poster has pointed out, Todd knew exactly what he was doing here and clearly did not deserve any return communication from us. We quickly sent the claim to ebay and will let them deal with this. We just hope that this whole circus comes to an end and other buyers out there stay honest with us good sellers and we promise to return the favor.

Let me just say that I have purchased from you before without any issue. I do disagree your theory of communication. I don't understand how not communicating is a good solution for anything. I can't say definitively either way who is right or wrong, I am not sure anyone can, but I don't think it is a good practice to not communicate in certain situations.

[danmckee]

If Todd popped the GAI slab then the seller should not accept a return. Items should be returned as purchased, period. If card is still in the GAI holder and no matter what the auction states "as is" "no returns" and Todd is unhappy, seller should refund fully with shipping both ways. There are no "as is" auctions when buying with paypal.

I just accepted a return on a PSA 9 MINT Dixie Lid that was labeled 1952 but is actually a 1953. The collector, and I say collector cause he didn't care about the # on the flip, wanted the 1953 lid and only looked at the title. This was an easy refund + shipping both ways.

I have known Todd awhile and trust everything he says.

I do not know Carter's Cards but have seen them selling like crazy recently and some real neat stuff.

Dan Mckee

[CMIZ5290]

Rob, totally agree. Lack of communication is definitely not the answer. I own a fairly large company and when there is a problem, the best time to tackle it is immediately. Defuse the problem if you will before the situation festers. I will say for the record that i have never heard anything negative said about todd on this forum, however, i have purchased many high dollar vintage cards from carters without a single issue.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Robextend

Let me just say that I have purchased from you before without any issue. I do disagree your theory of communication. I don't understand how not communicating is a good solution for anything. I can't say definitively either way who is right or wrong, I am not sure anyone can, but I don't think it is a good practice to not communicate in certain situations.

Rob,

You are exactly right. Although I side with the seller on this issue, he could have at least communicated with the buyer even if he planned on doing nothing to compensate him.

Here's the part I have a problem with though. The only thing the seller is guilty of in this situation is lack of communication. Forget about the shill bidding (didn't happen on this item), forget about the criminal history (irrelevant to the situation) and forget about the other crap that has been mentioned that really doesn't pertain to this situation. The bottom line is that the only thing the seller did was fail to communicate with the buyer. I think we can all agree on that.

That said, do we really need a thread titled "Beware Carterssards2006" to point out the seller's communication skills (or lack of)? Exactly what are we supposed to "beware" of? Are we supposed to beware that Carterscards doesn't communicate? So what? Did we really need a thread for that?

Someone stated that this problem might hurt the seller on future transactions. That’s probably true. But let me also state that it might bite the buyer in the butt too. I have blocked this buyer from ever bidding on my auctions. I know for a fact others have too. I just don’t need these types of headaches where a buyer wants to whine because a card from one TPG wouldn’t cross over to another TPG. That’s what BBLs are for – PIA buyers.

Originally Posted by Carterscards2006

In fact, 3 weeks ago a gentleman purchased $4,000+ worth of cards from us and emailed us 1 week later stating that his wife became ill and he really needed his money back for the cards to help with the doctor bills that were coming. He overnighted the cards back and we paypalled him his money back within 5 minutes of the receipt of the cards. If customers are honest and straight forward with us, we will always be with them. However, if customers are looking to "take advantage of us because we are honest sellers" we will not stand for this. As many of you have pointed out, we could have clearly refunded Todd his money and relisted the card. However, in doing so, we would be enabling Todd to take advantage of other sellers in the future and ultimately this behavior affects everyone in the hobby as prices have to be raised and sellers become less willing to work with their buyers.

I am calling Bull!!! You will do that for one buyer but not another irregardless of reason. I also bet the buyer sold them back at a small loss to ensure you could make a profit. You didn't address the shilling or money fraud either.

I am also on board with peter's comment. Who knew that Todd bought the card?????? Unless you knew already the card was trimmed and sold it anyways, and told someone and they knew Todd and said he might want to return it. That sounds believable.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's interesting how, in my experience anyway, people who habitually lie tend to do so in the same way.

[Edwolf1963]

Originally Posted by Carterscards2006

This is our first and last post on this site. We are not going to get ourselves involved in this circus that this thread has apparently become.

Seems the "circus" that this thread became can be traced back to the lack of communication w/the buyer in the first place.

Was all this worth it?

[cfc1909]

Originally Posted by Carterscards2006

This is our first and last post on this site. We are not going to get ourselves involved in this circus that this thread has apparently become. The only reason we are even posting is to make everyone aware of what actually is going on here. For those customers of ours that have had nothing but positive experiences with us, thank you for your continued business and support.

In terms of the original post here from Todd, this is our position. We have been on ebay for over 10 years and have successfully completed 4,200+ transactions without a single incident. Each and every time we have an unsatisfied customer, we make it right immediately (as can clearly be seen in our feedback and our 5.0 star communication). For those that question our communication and customer service, our 5.0 perfect star rating should quickly end that discussion. Having said that, there is a point where an honest, customer service based business can get taken advantage of, and this is one of those instances. So ... here is the situation in a nutshell.

Within 2 days after Todd won this card, we were contacted by 2 other very reputable sellers (who WILL remain anonymous) and warned us that Todd may want to return the card down the road if things "don't work out" with either SGC or PSA. To make this more clear, Todd purchases GAI graded cards for 20% of their value (since we ALL know the risks associated with GAI) and if the cards cross to SGC or PSA he 5X his money. If they do not, he asks for a refund. In other words in this transaction, Todd either turns his $1,000 into $5,000 or gets his original investment back. Call us crazy, but this is clearly a scam. Because Todd pulls this act with ONLY very reputable sellers, he figures they will not want the hassle he may create (as he did here) and therefore they will return the money and he can't lose.

Well, we have decided to be the ones to stand up for the sellers out there and make a statement. See, we delivered the EXACT CARD that was described in the auction to Todd. He knew EXACTLY what he would be receiving and he knew EXACTLY what the risks were of purchasing a GAI graded card. Todd is a very smart person and has been a collector for a long time. He knows this exact same card in an SGC or PSA holder is worth many times what he paid. He also knows that he got this card at a huge discount because it was in a GAI holder and that there are implied risks of purchasing GAI graded cards. However, as he has done in the past, he figured if he sent the card off to SGC or PSA and they concluded there may be an issue, we would quickly refund his money. This time, Todd, you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

We want to point that many times buyers are unhappy for a myriad of reasons. In fact, 3 weeks ago a gentleman purchased $4,000+ worth of cards from us and emailed us 1 week later stating that his wife became ill and he really needed his money back for the cards to help with the doctor bills that were coming. He overnighted the cards back and we paypalled him his money back within 5 minutes of the receipt of the cards. If customers are honest and straight forward with us, we will always be with them. However, if customers are looking to "take advantage of us because we are honest sellers" we will not stand for this. As many of you have pointed out, we could have clearly refunded Todd his money and relisted the card. However, in doing so, we would be enabling Todd to take advantage of other sellers in the future and ultimately this behavior affects everyone in the hobby as prices have to be raised and sellers become less willing to work with their buyers.

To wrap things up, we just want to address the communication thing. When buyers out there are in the business of taking advantage of good sellers (like us), they DO NOT deserve the courtesy of our time to communicate back with them. As we have pointed out and another poster has pointed out, Todd knew exactly what he was doing here and clearly did not deserve any return communication from us. We quickly sent the claim to ebay and will let them deal with this. We just hope that this whole circus comes to an end and other buyers out there stay honest with us good sellers and we promise to return the favor.

Carterscards2006 will continue to ALWAYS provide each and every customer with top notch customer service and we will ALWAYS put the customer first as long as they do not try to deceive us. Our feedback proves that we have never had a dissatisfied customer in 10 years and 4,200+ transactions and you have our word we will continue to do provide the same first class service in the future.

Thank you, once again, to all of our great customers out there and we look forward to dealing with all of you for many years to come!!!

Todd should get his money back no questions asked.


If there was any doubt about Carterscards being no good, Paul Sabatino cleared that up with the above post. I am 100% Carterscards is no good.

The lack of communication made you look bad and once you did communicate it made you look worse.
You insult the intelligence of the board with your grade school level lies.
Please block my id from bidding in your auctions.

Like I said in my first post-this will cost you way more than 1k

Jim Rivera cfc1909

[Cat]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

Todd should get his money back no questions asked.

Thanks Jim! Finally, somebody got straight to the point.

[nolemmings]

wow, where to start? How about this-- since most everyone seems to say that seller did a poor job of communicating, but some think that's just a minor transgression in the overall scheme of things, ask yourself this: What if paragraph 3 of this explanation--the nefarious Todd description-- is nothing but made up BS? Do you want to do business with someone who will outright lie about you on a public forum?

Let's look at this again

Within 2 days after Todd won this card, we were contacted by 2 other very reputable sellers (who WILL remain anonymous) and warned us that Todd may want to return the card down the road if things "don't work out" with either SGC or PSA. To make this more clear, Todd purchases GAI graded cards for 20% of their value (since we ALL know the risks associated with GAI) and if the cards cross to SGC or PSA he 5X his money. If they do not, he asks for a refund. In other words in this transaction, Todd either turns his $1,000 into $5,000 or gets his original investment back. Call us crazy, but this is clearly a scam. Because Todd pulls this act with ONLY very reputable sellers, he figures they will not want the hassle he may create (as he did here) and therefore they will return the money and he can't lose.

First and as noted, how on Earth could any seller know my ebay movements --that I won this or any other auction? The entire process is anonymous, bidders and winners, yet not one but two sellers (very reputable no less) contacted him. Really--you seriously buy this?

Second, why would anyone care about what I buy on ebay, i.e. what would motivate anyone to track or give a damn about what I'm doing. You can look at my feedback, what do I average, a handful of purchases a month? 2 in the last 60 days. Yet these two dealers were motivated to watch me (again, we have no clue how this could even be done) and warn this seller about me within 2 days of auction's end. Again--you really buying this?

Third and speaking of feedback, you'll see this seller left me a positive 4 days after the auction ended. Now if you've been warned about me and my scamming ways just two days after the auction, why wouldn't you hold off on feedback until you saw if I was going to pull something on you too? After all, just two days earlier you're given a heads up, but you go ahead and leave me a positive anyway. Does that make sense?

So if you believe that this guy is a flat-out liar, and a malicious one at that, do you still want to do business with him? In the future, would you want to know about such people earlier, later or not all? I will have more in a few minutes, but wanted to get this part out there first.

[nolemmings]

Now, on a more personal level. Those of you who know me know I collect primarily m101s, and by primarily, I mean heavily. I have a few hundred of them. I have no Stengel. Check your sources, you'll see they don't come for sale all that often. So let me get this straight. I'm finally able to land a card I need, at a manageable price no less, yet the first thing I do is look to flip it? And when SGC says its trimmed, I don't ship it off to PSA hoping they'll OK it? I just have buyer's remorse and decide that I'll get my money back (well, less two registered mailings, a $25 grading fee and more shipping fees with the return)?. This is how I do things? Really? I expect that GAI cards will cross or even get bumps because of what-- people generally have real good luck on that? As I said, I stated on my submission that I'd take a minimum of 60--so if it crosses at 60 I stand to make 5 fold on my money as this pissant suggests? An SGC Stengel 60 will sell for $5K? Right.

Here are some numbers for you. To the best of my recollection, in my entire life the number of cards I have returned or sought to return to any dealer, auction house, board member, fellow collector or guy down the street is ZERO-- this would be the first. Ever. So yeah, I have a real sweetheart scam all figured out--too bad this a$$hole and his two reputable dealer friends (who of course must remain anonymous because they do not exist) figured it out.

Second, in my entire life, I have submitted ZERO cards to any grading company other than SGC, whether raw, cross-over, reholder, review, etc. None, nada zilch. Why, if I stand to make so much on crossovers to PSA?

Third, in my entire life, I have submitted a total of THREE cards to SGC for crossover. All three were in this last submission, the Stengel that the liar sold me, a m101-4 Herpolsheimer Urban Faber GAI 8 and a m101-5 Gimbels Dave Bancroft GAI 6. The Bancroft I bought from Tim Newcomb in August 2005 and the Faber July 2005 on ebay. Yeah, I planned on shipping those back to the sellers 5 1/2 years later if I didn't get the crossover grades I wanted. Right.

In short, this guy's story is pure fantasy. BTW, I now see he claims feedback is posted immediately. Well I paid on the 4th and feedback was left on the 5th-- so again, why give me a positive if you've already been told to look for me to scam you "down the road"? BTW, check this seller's feedback now. His shiller has left him feedback claiming "100% HONEST & CUSTOMER SERVICE IS NO. 1". Does that sound like any feedback you leave for sellers--complimenting them on their honesty?

[bobbyw8469]

Just out of curiosity, did SGC crossover ANY of your 3 GAI cards??

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Third, in my entire life, I have submitted a total of THREE cards to SGC for crossover. All three were in this last submission, the Stengel that the liar sold me, a m101-4 Herpolsheimer Urban Faber GAI 8 and a m101-5 Gimbels Dave Bancroft GAI 6. The Bancroft I bought from Tim Newcomb in August 2005 and the Faber July 2005 on ebay. Yeah, I planned on shipping those back to the sellers 5 1/2 years later if I didn't get the crossover grades I wanted. Right.

Todd, help me to understand something. You said that you received the Stengel and suspected it might be trimmed so you sent it in to SGC for their opinion, along with 2 other GAI graded cards on the same submission. Just curious, but did you suspect those other 2 of being trimmed as well? Surely you didn't just want to have them in SGC holders because you stated in another post...

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Frank, I don't need the card to be graded by SGC "in the first place". I have cards from these sets in all 5 company holders, including one "PRO" that I know to be authentic and unaltered, albeit overgraded. The holder means nothing to me so long as the card is good. Similarly, I didn't care about the numeric grade, and I submitted this with a request for a minimum 60. I didn't/don't need just a nm example of this card-- I would take one in most grades and my collection of this set spans from grades 2 to 8, depending on back.

If the holder means nothing to you as you stated above, why send them in 5 years later? Why not just leave them in their holder?

Sure, the seller's story doesn't sound right. But come on, does yours either?

[novakjr]

Just a question Todd. I know this really is completely irrelevant and kinda off topic, I'm just a little curios though. I can understand sending the 3 GAI graded cards for cross-over, but why not also send the PRO with 'em?

[Kenny Cole]

I purposely stayed out of this thread until the seller came in and gave his side of the story. Having now heard both, it seems to me that one of the stories smells far fishier than the other. I have some real difficulty with the concept of one baseball card version of Dog the Bounty Hunter following Todd around, let alone two. While there are some other parts of the story that I'm having some problems with, I just don't believe the two "reputable" dealers part of the story at all.

Conversely, I don't have too much of a problem with someone who has had a card or two in a GAI holder deciding, after years, to send them in because he's already sending in another. I've contemplated doing that myself on a couple of occasions, if for no other reason to have uniformity in the cards that I have slabbed. Others may disagree, but to the extent that I think that slabs are attractive at all (and I'm still not a huge fan of them), I prefer the look of the SGC slabs to the look of the others.

Kenny Cole

[rman444]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

First and as noted, how on Earth could any seller know my ebay movements --that I won this or any other auction? The entire process is anonymous, bidders and winners, yet not one but two sellers (very reputable no less) contacted him. Really--you seriously buy this?

I don't have a dog in this fight, but just want to clarify that it is easy to search for what a specific ebay user has won and bid on. You can do it under "Advanced search"

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&sort=3&_rdc=1

[CMIZ5290]

Todd- why did you send it to sgc, and why was that not in your original post? You only indicated that sgc deemed it trimmed. There was no indication from your original post that you immediately suspected trimming. Am i missing something?

[CMIZ5290]

Peter- no offense, but i have suspected many ebay users on shilling. Seems to be a very constant issue

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Todd- why did you send it to sgc, and why was that not in your original post? You only indicated that sgc deemed it trimmed. There was no indication from your original post that you immediately suspected trimming. Am i missing something?

Kevin, he didn't make mention in his first post of suspecting the card being trimmed. He only threw in that very pertinent piece of information after he was being questioned (see post #32).