Simple Poll: PSA 5 w/ Crease -- Disclose?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

My motto of "no surprises"...always disclose....as I did today in a small transaction with a board member. Now when he gets his card he won't have the "OH SH**" factor Nothing changes with the person, venue or company selling it. Always disclose...

If someone consigns a group of a dozen or so PSA 5 T206 cards to B&L, how well do you examine them to make sure they're accurately graded?

This is admittedly a tough question. If I ran an auction house, I don't know how much time or energy I would put into this endeavor.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

If someone consigns a group of a dozen or so PSA 5 T206 cards to B&L, how well do you examine them to make sure they're accurately graded?

This is admittedly a tough question. If I ran an auction house, I don't know how much time or energy I would put into this endeavor.

Of course I am going to say we spend a lot of time...but not because it would sound stupid of me not to, but because we do. Admittedly I am not with Scott on receipt of every single card so can't speak for him but I know he looks at them very well too. Any question is fine...I might not respond to all of them, but any are fine .

[asoriano]

I would disclose the crease in the listing.

Although this is a different scenario, it reminds me of the T206 Elberfeld BL460 that REA offered a few years ago:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2008/198.html

[Jaybird]

I always post larger than life photos and disclose any condition issues. As Leon stated, it allows the buyer to know what they are getting and limits the surprise factor. Though I think I have limited my $$ on many transactions, I'm happy to say that no one has returned a card that I've sold them.

The hassle-free transaction is worth the loss of a few bucks.

[Mikehealer]

Here's one I bought on ebay(auction not BIN) from a seller that informed me he doesn't take return on graded cards. I don't agree with his policy, but I wasn't going to argue so just kept it and don't bid on his auctions anymore. By the way the crease wasn't visible in his less than stellar scan.

[Leon]

That sucks, Mike....That is the "OH SH**" I am referring to....

[grundle20]

What was PSA thinking?

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by grundle20

What was PSA thinking?

They weren't thinking they were drinking.

[mcadams]

Originally Posted by Mikehealer

Here's one I bought on ebay(auction not BIN) from a seller that informed me he doesn't take return on graded cards. I don't agree with his policy, but I wasn't going to argue so just kept it and don't bid on his auctions anymore. By the way the crease wasn't visible in his less than stellar scan.

Its not that uncommon for a PSA-slabbed 5 to have a crease. I have never seen a 6 with a meaningful crease unless its on a corner. BUT, when you're buying anything 6 or below, its always good to ask. I bought a mid-grade PSA 5 slabbed '54 Aaron a few years back and it had a minor crease starting on the right edge coming in about 1.5 inches. The seller refunded my money, but after seeing that card, I ALWAYS ask about creases/wrinkles before buying now.

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

If someone consigns a group of a dozen or so PSA 5 T206 cards to B&L, how well do you examine them to make sure they're accurately graded?

This is admittedly a tough question. If I ran an auction house, I don't know how much time or energy I would put into this endeavor.

At 19.5% buyer premiums, they better put time and energy.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by YankeeCollector

At 19.5% buyer premiums, they better put time and energy.

Absolutely. And we should even do it for fees of 12.5% Buyers Premium- (always) and 0% sellers premium- (always)....which is actually the way we do it. best regards

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

Absolutely. And we should even do it for fees of 12.5% Buyers Premium- (always) and 0% sellers premium- (always)....which is actually the way we do it. best regards

Agreed

[bbcard1]

I dislike slabbing, but if that is your standard, should you not also disclose when you feel a card has been overgraded?

"A very weak 6, probably should have been no better than a 4 using any reasonable measure. The corners show too much wear and the centering is off."

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

I dislike slabbing, but if that is your standard, should you not also disclose when you feel a card has been overgraded?

"A very weak 6, probably should have been no better than a 4 using any reasonable measure. The corners show too much wear and the centering is off."

I think we can differentiate and not critique conditions which are more subjective and also can clearly be seen. Check out Mike's PSA 5 w/heavy front wrinkle, that is what I am referring to, not the fact that one corner might be a 4.5 and the others are 5.0s, or it's a little off center etc... We could have a whole separate thread about auction descriptions. regards

[Jaybird]

Please let's end the talk of "weak 6" OR "strong 5". That is still subjective.

I say things like... "Upper right corner ding, crease running from hand over to the right border. Brown stain on the back", etc.

To me the comments about the grading is putting subjectivity on top of subjectivity. It never sways me one way or the other when people say "way undergraded". I look at the card for myself and determine if it is over or under graded. I'm too cynical to take a seller's opinion of their card seriously. Too many years watching commercials without the benefit of Tivo has left me numb to "seller speak".

[novakjr]

F*ck Yeah, it better be disclosed. You are buying a card that is in EX condition, and NOT one that has just simply been graded EX..