This sums it up about Jeter and 3000

David Atkatz · #1 07-15-2011, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

At one time there was probably close to a million Babe Ruth signed items. I don't think he ever thought to ask for a penny and the man grew up with nothing.

Yeah. As I said before, the man did nothing but leak. I guess he just had a different "business model."

T206Collector · #2 07-15-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Yeah. As I said before, the man did nothing but leak. I guess he just had a different "business model."

Nobody was making money off of his items at the time and leaving him without anything. Autographs weren't a business back then. I am sorry you do not seem to appreciate that it is today, or the positive impact thatbthe modern business has on your historic crap, which I choose not to go find on my own.

David Atkatz · #3 07-16-2011, 12:02 AM

I understand that selling your own autograph to kids is a business. I understand it just fine. But you're right. I don't appreciate it.

T206Collector · #4 07-16-2011, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I understand that selling your own autograph to kids is a business. I understand it just fine. But you're right. I don't appreciate it.

Ask the kids who get their Steiner Jeter3K balls under the Christmas Tree this year if they appreciate it. Would you prefer that the working parents chase Jeter onto his next helicopter to give their son such a present? Or can we just send $500 to a service to provide it to me overnight?

If I want to get my mom a Paul O'Neill autographed 8x10, is it okay for me to pay Paul's service? Or do I have to run into him randomly on the street corner? Hope I have my photo with me when that happens!

are yesterday's athletes permitted to sign autographs at card shows for money, or is that also a breach of their dignity?

David Atkatz · #5 07-16-2011, 12:13 AM

Why can't you just mail Paul a photo, with a SASE, and he signs it and mails it back, without charging $50 or so. That used to be the "business model," when I was growing up. It was called "giving something back."

T206Collector · #6 07-16-2011, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Why can't you just mail Paul a photo, with a SASE, and he signs it and mails it back, without charging $50 or so. That used to be the "business model," when I was growing up. It was called "giving something back."

When Paul's auto became valuable, he grew skeptical of signing freebies in the mail, only to find them for sale at $50 a pop at the local card show or on eBay. The collecting public ruined that practice, not the athletes.

T206Collector · #7 07-16-2011, 12:19 AM

Fellas,

I rally enjoy this dialogue, but I have to get to sleep here on the East Coast. In closing for now, I would just say that in my view a lot of the vitriol spouted at athletes these days ignores a few fundamental and universal concepts that go with the territory in the 21st C. It is just unfair to blame that all on the athletes.

David Atkatz · #8 07-16-2011, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

When Paul's auto became valuable, he grew skeptical of signing freebies in the mail, only to find them for sale at $50 a pop at the local card show or on eBay. The collecting public ruined that practice, not the athletes.

Really? Paul didn't have enough money? He had to be upset that he wasn't making that $50? He couldn't just live with the fact that he had done the right thing? That's called greed. Consider our system of justice. You know, "Better ten guilty men go free, than one innocent man be punished." It's kinda like that. Yeah, some will take advantage of Paul's "generosity," and make a few bucks. But that's better than cutting off all those fans who just want their hero's autograph.

packs · #9 07-16-2011, 12:04 AM

I think where we disagree is in our point of view towards autographs. You see them purely as a business. I do not. I see them as a natural part of the game in most scenarios. If you go to a show where a player is charging money, that is an entirely different situation than going to the ballpark or spring training to get a few autographs. I don't think asking a player for his autograph has anything to do with business or mooching from a rich person for most of the people asking. I expect a player to stop and sign for fans. Whether or not he signs for me specifically.

T206Collector · #10 07-16-2011, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by packs

I think where we disagree is in our point of view towards autographs. You see them purely as a business. I do not. I see them as a natural part of the game in most scenarios. If you go to a show where a player is charging money, that is an entirely different situation than going to the ballpark or spring training to get a few autographs. I don't think asking a player for his autograph has anything to do with business or mooching from a rich person for most of the people asking. I expect a player to stop and sign for fans. Whether or not he signs for me specifically.

I agree, to a degree. Jeter himself has stopped and signed for me for free at least three times that I can remember: while working out with Posada at the Indians old home on Winter Lakes, FL; while stretching before a game at the old stadium; and, while entering the press gate at the old stadium. I've personally witnessed him sign about a zillion things for free for fans over th years. If you had a bad experience, it happens. If I knew you better I'd tell you my Tony Gwynn story when we were both staying at the same hotel back in 1998.

Mr. Zipper · #11 07-16-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

I agree, to a degree. Jeter himself has stopped and signed for me for free at least three times that I can remember: while working out with Posada at the Indians old home on Winter Lakes, FL; while stretching before a game at the old stadium; and, while entering the press gate at the old stadium.

Your experience is better than mine. At the stadium and on the road over the years, he passed me over every time. (Yes, I was polite, not obnoxious, only had 1 item, etc etc.) In my experience, he'd sign for kids and women... passed by men.

I guess the men can afford the $599 so the hell with them.

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