Im new, I need Help Please

vintagetoppsguy · #1 08-01-2011, 11:52 AM

I really understand very little of what you said.

How many different lots did you buy?
How much was shipping?
Did you purchase this from your eBay account or your friend's account?
How did you pay?

1acid · #2 08-01-2011, 12:01 PM

Ok,

i bought 5 lots
shipping on each lot to my friend in USA was 9.99$ total 49.95$
My own Ebay Acc
I used my mothers paypal acc(with her concent)

Should i be worried? The guy seems a bit stupid?

xdrx · #3 08-01-2011, 01:20 PM

You'll need to read up on the eBay and PayPal rules. At some point you can file a claim for item not being received. If the seller used Priority Mail, which is what he was advertising, it should take 3 days tops to a US address. I'm not sure what impact having him ship to a non-verified address will have.

Beyond that, if you send two questions to someone and get ignored I'd suggest scratching them off the list of sellers you want to do business with. If they can't be bothered to answer chances are they will not be overly committed to a smooth deal.

Good luck with the transaction.

vintagetoppsguy · #4 08-01-2011, 02:00 PM

Buyer and seller both made mistakes here. Both are at fault.

Several things to address:

1.) If you purchased multiple lots, the seller should have combined shipping for you. $49.95 shipping is absolutely ridiculous unless he shipped 5 separate packages. If he shipped everything in 1 package, then you got screwed on shipping.

2.) For the seller to covered (seller protection), he should have shipped to the address that is provided by PayPal. So, if the payment was made from your mother's PayPal account, the seller should have shipped to that address. Is that the address you're expecting the package to go to?

3.) Either way, the seller should have provided a tracking number.

4.) If you do not get your packages, I’m not sure who PayPal would side with in this case. This is very difficult and I wouldn’t recommend doing it like this in the future. If the seller doesn’t ship to South Africa, then move on to the next item.

vintagetoppsguy · #5 08-01-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xdrx

You'll need to read up on the eBay and PayPal rules. At some point you can file a claim for item not being received. If the seller used Priority Mail, which is what he was advertising, it should take 3 days tops to a US address. I'm not sure what impact having him ship to a non-verified address will have.

That's what makes this a very difficult situation. Did the seller ship to the PayPal address, or did the seller ship to another address that the buyer provided? I'm not sure he can file a INR - he didn't pay. Payment came from a PayPal account that was not associated with his eBay account.

He can't PROVE payment for THIS purchase. If he tells PayPal that payment was made from another account, all the seller has to say is that was for a different purchase for different items. I'm not sure if the buyer is covered because the payment did not come from his PayPal account.

1acid · #6 08-01-2011, 02:25 PM

I sent him a bunch of msgs most of which he now replied to, he hasnt yet provided a tracking number but did say this :

He has now replied with this:

Dear 1acid85,

if they are not there by friday you will not need to file a claim i will grant you a full refund

- ksmithcards

BTW- I am very suspicoiuse why i did not get a discount on shipping as i did buy multiple lots... should I be hitting this guy with 1 start negative ratings?

Thanks

vintagetoppsguy · #7 08-01-2011, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1acid

BTW- I am very suspicoiuse why i did not get a discount on shipping as i did buy multiple lots... should I be hitting this guy with 1 start negative ratings?

It depends on how the payment was sent. If it was sent as 5 spearate payments, he is supposed to send 5 separate packages, each with delivery confirmation - if he wants the eBay seller protection.

If one payment was sent for all 5 items, then he should have combined the shipping for you.

Just wait until you get the packages and look at the postage amount (how much it cost him to ship) on the package(s).

If there is a significant difference, email him about the situation. He may refund you some of the shipping cost. If not, ding him!

novakjr · #8 08-01-2011, 06:34 PM

It sounds like you guys confused the sh!t out of each other... I wouldn't necessarily blame you or the seller for this mess. Those kinds of lots can create a bit of a mess just staying in the US, but once the South Africa thing came into play, it seems as though it made an even bigger mess. Not to mention different paypal accounts, addresses,, relays in shipping, so on and so on...

As long as he refunds you, I probably wouldn't blast him with negatives.. It sound like he's confused, you're confused, hell, even we're a bit confused. I'd probably give him a pass for the way things went, so long as tries to make it right.

Brendan · #9 08-04-2011, 05:12 PM

Well, since he paid through PayPal, as far as eBay and PayPal are concerned he did pay. They do not know this right now, (because he used a different account) but from past experience, if he were to call them up and show the proof of payment through the other PayPal account they will accept that.

If a seller ships to an unregistered PayPal address that is only the advantage to the buyer. It almost guarantees a buyer's success in a case. That's why you'll find that some sellers will not ship to unregistered addresses.

If you don't receive the items, there's nothing to worry about. Simply go to the other PayPal account and file a claim through PayPal for item not received. Both PayPal and eBay claims are equally effective. If you didn't pay with a credit card, make sure to file a claim before 45 days are up. If you used a credit card, chargebacks will work 99% of the time.

1acid · #10 08-05-2011, 08:28 AM

Ok well he messaged me last night to say that the packages were returned to him- He even added" Im glad I got them back becuase I had forgot to pay for tracking" IM like WTF- I payd for the tracking.... Anyways I have now asked him to ship directly to me, he has not gotten back to me...

vintagetoppsguy · #11 08-05-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Brendan

Well, since he paid through PayPal, as far as eBay and PayPal are concerned he did pay.

Ummm, no, as far as eBay and PayPal are concerned he DIDN'T pay. There is no record of payment coming from HIM. The payment came from SOMEBODY ELSE'S PAYPAL ACCOUNT.

He cannot file an INR because the payment wasn't made from his PayPal account.

What is so difficult to understand about that?

Edited to add: You can't pay for eBay purchases from a PayPal account that isn't yours. By your logic, if I am outbid on an item at the last second I can just send PayPal for the item anyway (although I didn't win) pretending to be the buyer? Yeah, I think I'll try that one and see how far I get.

The payment has to come from the winning bidder's account. In the OP's case, all the seller has to say is that the payment from ther other person was for a totally different purchase and there is no proof otherwise.

CW · #12 08-05-2011, 09:18 AM

Sounds like it may be time to cut your losses (ie. time wasted) and just ask for him to refund your money. These "grab bag" type auctions where you get a box of undisclosed stuff are usually ripoffs to begin with, so consider it a lesson learned. I'd stay away from these types of auctions, as you'll never get full value on your dollar.

Brendan · #13 08-05-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ummm, no, as far as eBay and PayPal are concerned he DIDN'T pay. There is no record of payment coming from HIM. The payment came from SOMEBODY ELSE'S PAYPAL ACCOUNT.

He cannot file an INR because the payment wasn't made from his PayPal account.

What is so difficult to understand about that?

Edited to add: You can't pay for eBay purchases from a PayPal account that isn't yours. By your logic, if I am outbid on an item at the last second I can just send PayPal for the item anyway (although I didn't win) pretending to be the buyer? Yeah, I think I'll try that one and see how far I get.

The payment has to come from the winning bidder's account. In the OP's case, all the seller has to say is that the payment from ther other person was for a totally different purchase and there is no proof otherwise.

Actually, you are incorrect. This issue has happened to me before. I simply called up PayPal and told them the situation. You either pay through your PayPal account or show proof of payment. The other PayPal account was proof of payment. That's good enough for an eBay case. To make it easier, you might as well just file a PayPal case instead. Even if the seller says it's for a totally different purchase, unless he sends the item for that purchase you can't lose.

Any form of payment will probably work. If he sent a check and photocopied it, they would consider that proof of payment. If he sent cash with tracking and signature confirmation, they would probably accept that too.