American Beautys on ebay

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by tonyo

I didn't think you could end an item early if it has bids

Yup, the seller can end the auction early at any time - even minutes before the item is scheduled to end.

That listing was hard on my eyes.

[A2000]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yup, the seller can end the auction early at any time - even minutes before the item is scheduled to end.

I believe a few years ago, eBay made it so you could NOT end an auction if there was less than 12 hours remaining.

You would think an eBay seller with more than 26,000 feedback would know better than to end an auction early. IMO, ending an auction early for a private offer = leaving money on the table.

[steve B]

They've got to stop allowing this. And stop allowing the cheats like ATX840 to even make offers off ebay. It hurts the seller, it hurts Ebay, and the rest of us that follow the rules. It also hurts other sellers. Plus offering something for bid is a binding contract acording to Ebay.

Most of us don't have a huge hobby budget. And when something like those ABs comes up we have to not bid on other stuff, or bid less on some others.

I was watching them too, And held off from bidding on about 10-15 other things since they were listed. Not all cards, but here are the card sellers who probably lost a few dollars because of their cheating.
buythatcard
jasonb9206
1950 browns
runlike
tntriley1
luckyjguy
Jerryjersey
I'm not sure how many of those other items I'd have won or been the underbidder on, but I didn't bid on 6 of them, and bid far less on one.

Steve Birmingham

[Matthew H]

If I see a card I want up for auction on eBay these days, I always ask if there is a BIN price for the card. Not because I want to buy it that way, but because there have been so many times that a card I want disappears. I am always relieved when I get a message back saying no.

[3-2-count]

Just my opinion, but if you see something you really need on the Bay it would be in your best interest to email the seller and ask if they end auctions early just so you don't get burned. I sure do. If they answer with a definitive "NO" you have nothing to worry about. If you receive any other reply other than that you'd better be willing to play the same game or risk losing the opportunity. My two cents!!

[tbob]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

Just my opinion, but if you see something you really need on the Bay it would be in your best interest to email the seller and ask if they end auctions early just so you don't get burned. I sure do. If they answer with a definitive "NO" you have nothing to worry about. If you receive any other reply other than that you'd better be willing to play the same game or risk losing the opportunity. My two cents!!

Absolutely, Tony! Agree 100%. I've learned that lesson the hard way. You HAVE to do that if there is a card you really want to bid on and try to win because if you don't find out from the seller that you are going to absolutely have the chance to bid, it will often times disappear.

[aquarius31]

I was tempted not to respond to this thread but the previous comments have me going now. Even if you win through a BIN on ebay you're not assured that you win. Here's a wonderful story to share with all of you.

1) I used a BIN on a lot of 2 T206's which had a very good price
(purchased within 2 minutes of listing being posted)
2) Ask seller if he will combine shipping and receive a response that there was an error and cards shouldn't have been listed
3) Send a reply to seller trying to get more details but he's not clear with me so I tell him if it not's a mistake or if he plans to repost to let me know (thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt as an honest mistake)
4) See a listing on B/S/T today for those exact same cards which I purchased through BIN but were "listed in error"
5) Find out that a side deal off of EBay was done for the cards at a higher price
6) Frustrated but agree with off-Ebay buyer on 1 of the cards on the amount that was paid off ebay (higher than the original BIN option for both cards)
7) The second card sold to another buyer before I could purchase that one

Due to "non-bidding" buyers making side deals with sellers on ebay after auction close and those sellers agreeing to those side deals people get screwed. What should have been an easy BIN transaction become one where I ended up negotiating with the "new" buyer for 1 card and losing out on the other card not to mention that the price was higher since the seller was able to obtain more from the off ebay deal.

I think I'm going to go onto ebay now and try to see if there are some recently closed low BINs where I can persuade the seller to sell it to me instead for a slightly higher price.

[teetwoohsix]

George, that sucks.

What a crappy business model. Unethical.

Sincerely, Clayton

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by steve B

Plus offering something for bid is a binding contract acording to Ebay.

only if it ends up being the winning bid

[vintagetoppsguy]

Some of y’all aren’t understanding that for a lot of dealers, eBay is just another way to advertise – no different than their personal website, a brick and mortar store, message board B/S/T, etc. In other words, they may have the same card listed on multiple sites. Their goal is to sell the card, they don’t care how/where it sells. A lot of dealers will list a card for sale on eBay, but at the same time it also resides in their showcase for sale. If someone comes into their store and purchases the card, they remove the card from eBay. I’ve also been at shows and witnessed the same thing many, many times where I’ve bought a card from a dealer, then watched the dealer immediately remove the listing from eBay. I’m not defending the seller here, but it is what it is. Besides, no one really knows why they cards were removed from eBay in the first place. Everybody is just assuming the seller ended the auction early for an off-line offer. What if the cards were lost or stolen and he HAD to remove the listings?

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Everybody is just assuming the seller ended the auction early for an off-line offer. What if the cards were lost or stolen and he HAD to remove the listings?

True no one really knows the real reason except the seller and the buyer (if applicable), but the ebay listing actually says "This listing was ended by the seller because the item was sold."

Other listings ended early say "item is no longer available" or something to that effect.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

In other words, they may have the same card listed on multiple sites.

I personally don't see anything wrong with that, as long as they don't end a listing that has been bid upon.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by tonyo

I personally don't see anything wrong with that, as long as they don't end a listing that has been bid upon.

Things happen in life. Cards get lost, stolen or even catch fire:

http://www.ohio.com/news/fire-hits-s...store-1.204249

Bids or not, how is the seller supposed to complete the transaction if he no longer possesses the card?

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Some of y’all aren’t understanding that for a lot of dealers, eBay is just another way to advertise – no different than their personal website, a brick and mortar store, message board B/S/T, etc. In other words, they may have the same card listed on multiple sites.

I think there is a distinction between listing a card for "sale" on multiple sites, and listing a card for "auction" multiple times. It's nice to be able to list a sale item in multiple forums and as long as you are diligent enough to manage that (or utilize software to do it for you); it's optimal for the seller and a fair process to buyers. Once a card is put up for auction, I don't think it should be listed anywhere else, however.

[Matthew H]

[autograf]

I go with the Leon theory..........If there's a bid, I won't make an offer. I make offers from time to time but I'd say about 20% are accepted and 80% of the time, I'm told that the seller wishes to let the auction play out. I don't usually lowball anyone. I try to make a fair offer (maybe not the BEST) and let the chips fall where they may. I've gotten a few decent items that way. If you don't think tons of other people are doing it, you're not being realistic..........