Authenticity question

[travrosty]

All coa's are screwed up. I wouldn't trust any coa from any company, we have seen them all faked, forged, doctored up, and misrepresented no matter what company they are from. There needs to be a foolproof coa.

verify any coa from any source that you want to buy from if it comes with a second hand coa. if it cant be verified with photo proof, then it's really worth nothing.

[drc]

I'm not in the market for a signed baseball and I wasn't offering a judgment on the authenticity of the signatures-- so I was allowed to focus on whatever I wanted to focus on

[scyrkin]

Originally Posted by travrosty

All coa's are screwed up. I wouldn't trust any coa from any company, we have seen them all faked, forged, doctored up, and misrepresented no matter what company they are from. There needs to be a foolproof coa.

verify any coa from any source that you want to buy from if it comes with a second hand coa. if it cant be verified with photo proof, then it's really worth nothing.

Travis, I couldn't agree with you more. EVERY COA or LOA should be imaged in the authenticator's online database, but only a small percentage are. PSA/DNA only images LOA'd autographs and I don't think JSA puts images of anything online--am I right?

You should be able to confirm you've got the right piece before you pay for it, or you're at risk of being scammed big time by unscrupulous sellers. Not imaging autographs is short-sighted.

[travrosty]

you are correct, thats why these coa's are in deep trouble. so many times i see on psa;'s website, "no photo available" might as well say " buy at your own risk because we dont know what it is suppose to look like either. whether or not they actually have the picture available to them, i dont know. but that is the impression they are giving off.

EVERY authentication, 5 dollars or 50,000 dollars should have a photo to go with the cert number. Encapsulations arent photographed at all, unless you pay extra and specifically ask for an loa with the encapsulation. The company says that the fact it is encapsulated is proof of it being genuine.

Once someone figures out how to bust open the holder and switch out autographs (think wiwag card grading scandal only with autographs), then what?

[thetruthisoutthere]

What kind of "Forensic Investigator" issues this ridiculous COA. There is nothing contained in this COA that mentions the signer, the item; and no photograph of the item. Just a matching hologram number. And this coming from someone who calls himself a "Forensic Investigator." His name, of course, is Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator.

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[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

What kind of "Forensic Investigator" issues this ridiculous COA. There is nothing contained in this COA that mentions the signer, the item; and no photograph of the item. Just a matching hologram number. And this coming from someone who calls himself a "Forensic Investigator." His name, of course, is Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator.

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Todd Mueller & Koschal (The dynamic duo) et al at ANL would probably say "someone must have forged Moral less's COA. LOL Travis would say it's not as big of hazard to the industry as ABC, XYZ.... Fudd, the lowly Mantle collector says "That's one of the worst Mantle Forgeries known to exist and that Moral less is still allowed to go on authenticating pure garbage like this and even supported by a website of knuckleheads that refuse to acknowlege just what a horrible authenticator.... or worse a crook Moral Ass is. At this point, Moral Less needs to at least update his forgery exemplar file that he got from his one time partner and mentor, "The Donald" ,Mr. Donald Fryingpangianni.

[travrosty]

Some day the fog will lift and everyone will be shocked except me and a few other people who figured it out a long time ago.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Some day the fog will lift and everyone will be shocked except me and a few other people who figured it out a long time ago.

yeah, someday, when the fog lifts.... everyone will see that the Moral Ass certed Mantle depicted here will be real

Is that what you mean?...or after Moral Less is done suing everybody in the litigious world of autographs, he wins a judgment and then......miraculously, every Mantle he ever certed becomes real? Is that what you mean about fog lifting?

All the fog in the world and smoke screens at ANL will not change the fact that every Mantle certed by Moral Less is a known forgery. I’ve said it once and I'll say it a million more times..... The only authentic Mantle this lowly Mantle collector has seen with a beautiful shiny Moral Less gold hologram in 6 years is the ones used in the JSA sting where the original stickers were peeled off and a Moral Ass sticker affixed....is that the fog you speak of? Enlighten Fudd about the Fog? It's not that I have a bone to pick with anybody, I just call them as I see them and right now Moral ass is a boil on society in general for continuing to do what he does even after he knows it's wrong.....and that is just plain wrong. I think the fog bank is clearing