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12-22-2011, 09:44 AM
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PLAGIARISM..........
The act of "stealing" a person's hard work and intellectual property, without accrediting this person. There are many more members of Net54 that you have advertently dismissed, who have contributed their time, effort and expertise over the past 8 years (or more) on this forum. You can continue to deny that you have not gleaned information from them to form your new site....but Tim, that "dog does not hunt"....anymore. There is Scot Reader, Bill Brown, Barry Sloate, Barry Arnold, Frank Wakefield, Jamie Hull, Dan Koochin, Darren Duet, Drew Apoldite, Judson Hamlin, Jeremy Jones (and more). All of whom, not only have posted meaningful & worthwhile information regarding T206's; but also, other White-Bordered cards. Special recognition goes to Scot Reader. For you to exclude Scot's "Inside T206" in the "ARTICLES" section of your site is a really egregious omission that tells us a lot about where you are coming from. Furthermore You claim that your data is yours (and your group's)......however, in your SOVEREIGN 350 checklist you indicate that Downey (fielding) is a confirmed SOVEREIGN 350 card. Well, when I posted my "FYI....SOVEREIGN" thread, I had inadvertently omitted this subject in my NO-PRINT list (it has since been added to my NO-PRINT list). Now tell me....anyone here on Net54....what is the probability of Tim independently replicating this same mistake ? Virtually impossible......unless Tim (or one of his group) copied my information on these SOVEREIGN 350 cards ? ? I am continuing to review your checklists. I have found some more errors. You asked for inputs. I have already reported 2 of these errors to you in an earlier post in this thread. You chose not to respond and that says a lot for your attitude regarding some of us Net54er's. Who, apparently, you feel that you are "competing" with since you joined this forum (not that many years ago).. So, right here I am offering.....$100 each.....to any one who can produce these two SOVEREIGN 350 cards that you list as confirmed...... Bresnahan (batting) Downey (fielding) TED Z 
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12-22-2011, 10:25 AM
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Please accept the following comments in the spirit of collegiality that is intended. As one who has spent his life in the academic world, I do think that it is a mistake to omit those who have been part of the history of research before your distinguished offerings. I recognize that effort has been made in this direction but needs further work. As you well know, I'm sure, there is a never a blank slate in pure scholarship---the highest accomplishments never arise in vacuo--- so that acknowledging those who have been important to the debate(even those with whom you may have disagreed or parted ways with for critical reasons) is a must. This should always be done as assiduously and comprehensively as possible to match the breadth and depth of what you're now offering as a scholarly contribution.
I used the word 'erudition' to describe your work in an earlier post because I believe it is scholarly and academic. I do think the omission of key contributors in the history of research, as explicated above, should be revisited and further elucidated. Again, I do appreciate your erudite gifts to the the field of T206 scholarship and hope that my discussion is helpful. all the best, Barry Last edited by ethicsprof; 12-22-2011 at 08:27 PM.
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12-22-2011, 10:27 AM
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PLAGIARISM?
Ted, no disrespect but you have taken information shared with you from folks including me and posted it here as your own or with no mention of sources short of a select few folks for years. I would be careful dropping the plagiarism bomb…people in glass houses you know. I’m also not going to get into heated debate with you on this either. But if you look back I’m sure you can think of times when you have used someone’s nugget of info when typing out your threads without taking time to mention or call credit to that person for the piece of info re shared. I think we all can a be a bit guilty of that after all it’s a hobby in which much of the knowledge is word of mouth vs. written. As for prints and no-prints within Sovereign I’ll let you Tim & Jim hash that out. John P.S. To the rest of the guys Barry, Frank, Ted etc. these guys spent a lot of time on this so in the 11th hour begin busting chops on some names you feel they need to add is silly IMO. In the end it's their site they could have as easily listed no names like Chans site. I'm also not taking this stance because my name is listed Tim & Jim can drop my name I could care less still a good site. All I care about is collecting cards having fun and no scammers. Last edited by wonkaticket; 12-22-2011 at 10:36 AM.
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12-22-2011, 11:27 AM
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That being said, great site guys & Happy Holidays to all, Lee
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12-22-2011, 12:10 PM
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Kind of sad how much crap they are getting for creating the site.
Great job guys, again. Love all the articles as well, especially the Olbermann/Doyle story.
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12-22-2011, 04:29 PM
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Spray some Windex on your wounds and get over it Ted!
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12-22-2011, 06:48 PM
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I praised the site... it's good. it's useful. I thanked them. I didn't sling crap at it, I'm not envious, and I do care about the weather in Baltimore.
But notwithstanding the 'clean slate' claim, there should be acknowledgements to Mr. Egan and his list, Mr. Hietman and his Monster, Mr. Lipset and volume 3 of his Encyclopedia, Scot Reader and his Inside T206, the massive collecting, collating, and information sharing of Ted Z, and others, Mr. Arnold, Mr. Sloate, there are more... The guys that put that site together have feuded with some of those that deserve recognition. The makers of that fine site should acknowledge what went before, and failing to do that they detract from their own site. I don't need mention there. But I have come to regret selling some cards to some of the folks associated with the site. And I still say it's a good site. Thanks again, guys, for putting that together. And if me thinking that has some of you thinking I'm silly, that's fine with me. Maybe silly me should cut and paste the entire Net54 Vintage Pre-War baseball card site, cut out your various names, and create a book about old ball cards. No need to attribute anything to anyone, evidently. Last edited by FrankWakefield; 12-22-2011 at 06:52 PM.
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12-22-2011, 06:54 PM
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12-22-2011, 07:17 PM
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Hey Rick G.
There is no "envy" regarding this new T206 site on my part. If you'd bother to read thru some of these posts you would catch my initial response to
this site at post #55 ........ " Quite a cool site, well done....and, very user-friendly. " It appears that you are a newbie on Net54; therefore, you most likely are unaware of the year-long "bashing" towards me on this forum by Tim & Jim. Telling everyone that my prior research regarding T206 cards is fraught with errors. When this same research has been lauded by most on this forum for the past 7 years. ENVY....that's a nasty 4-letter word that best describes Tim & Jim to a tee. So, now I discover that this new site has errors in its checklists and I dare to bring this to their attention. Well look Rick, have you ever heard the expressions...... Turn-about is fair play Or perhaps...... What goes around, comes around Next time, before you post what you did, try to be more informed. Instead of jumping to unfounded conclusions. And,for now, I will ignore your subtle ethninc slur in that last line of yours. TED Z
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12-22-2011, 08:14 PM
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nice job
First let me state Nice Job guys on the site. As a non collector of t206s it was great to see something like that put together. I loved to look at all the info that was placed there and the site will continue to evolve as more information becomes available. But really guys this is why many of us have stopped posting . The stink some of you make about who should get credit,who should be mentioned,whos horn needs to be blown! Jees cant you just give credit where credit is due!. Then we start with Plagiarism! Some of you are grown men that act like 5 year olds. Like it was stated by someone else in one of the posts if you want credit (or think you need ego boosting ) start your own site. Then you can put your name on it in big red capital letters.
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12-22-2011, 10:37 AM
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It's always sunny in Philadelphia Dan, thanks for asking.
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12-22-2011, 10:39 AM
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Merry Christmas everyone.
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12-22-2011, 12:51 PM
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12-22-2011, 03:23 PM
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Thank you. Nice Site.
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12-22-2011, 10:48 AM
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It's a testament to the quality of the site that people are so anxious to get their names up there. C'mon guys, let's just let the site develop a little bit, add corrections/contributions when they can and just let it brew and steep.
A few weeks ago this site didn't exist. Now everyone is fighting over what should and shouldn't be on there. Nothing on the internet is gospel. I think any person surfing the internet realizes that the work of a website is based on the experiences and information of the authors. THERE IS ALWAYS A POINT OF VIEW. I disagree with the fact that everyone is a rube, and when presented with misinformation or fact, doesn't know which is right and which is wrong. People make up their own minds and aren't so easily swayed by a website. To assume that everyone takes every morsel from a website to be gospel and not the work of humans is really putting yourself on a much higher plane than everyone else. This is a general statement but one just meant to say, let's enjoy the hobby, let the authors of this website develop at their own pace and filter and sift the information as they wish. It is theirs to do as they wish. If you want to start a T206ResourceHaters.com, I'm sure the name is available (for a fee). Last edited by Jaybird; 12-22-2011 at 10:49 AM.
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12-22-2011, 08:59 PM
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Great tree card image!
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12-22-2011, 09:09 PM
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haha, awesome Chris!
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12-22-2011, 09:28 PM
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NICE TREE, Chris. It brought me a smile. Thanks.
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I was just scrolling through this thread.....skimming, not reading, contemplating the psychology involved in the "fued" when I scrolled across your tree and BAM a big smile ....................... LOVE IT and thanks! a good segue for me......logging off and moving on to Christmas Eve festivities............ Happy Holidays everyone! Last edited by tonyo; 12-24-2011 at 08:04 AM.
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