If I were SGC, I would BUY this fake and get it off the market!

[Ease]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

John

I agree with everything you said except the first sentence. You are right, nobody is paying Dan $5-50 for his opinion, they're paying him $1600. His opinion is that the card doesn't have any creases, when the fact is that it does.

He missed a crease. It's not a big deal. We all do sometimes. I believe him to be an honest person. I don't think he's intentionally trying to mislead anybody and he'll probably fix the listing once he reads this. He obviously just overlooked it.

All I am saying is that if he missed a crease that obvious on the Cobb card, who is to say that he didn't miss others on the cards he submitted to SGC? I just don't like the way he comes on here and insults those of us that do send cards to SGC by saying he feels sorry for us.

Regards,

David

Edited to add: If he has a beef with SGC and wants to state it publically on this board, then that is his right. But when he starts insulting those of us that do send cards to SGC by telling us he feels sorry for us, then he's crossed the line (with me at least).

Good post DJ. I think where grading as a whole has really helped out is with the advent of the internet and buying cards by scans and pics. In the "old days" a guy would be able to see and touch it at a show, or he'd have to trust a dealer's assesment and buy by mail, which as John xperienced, was somewhat of a crapshoot. All in all, the top three tpgs are pretty consistent, if I'm buying an ex5, I have a good idea what I'm gonna get as opposed to a 2 or 3. Its pretty rare to see a 2 or 3 in a 5 slab. I know there are examples of that, but overall few compared to the ones they get right.

[vintagetoppsguy]

John,

All that may be so, but one thing I know for sure is that his dad didn't make the statement, "I feel very sorry for all of you (that use a TPG)." He did. One can sugarcoat it however they want to, but that is an insult to those of us that use TPGs.

In other words it would be like me saying, "T206s suck. I feel sorry for those of you that collect them." If I said that I would be roasted...and rightfully so.

David

[wonkaticket]

David, I agree Dan can come off gruff…hell he is gruff. Look past the curmudgeon and I think he has some valid points that’s all.

Cheers,

John

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

John,

All that may be so, but one thing I know for sure is that his dad didn't make the statement, "I feel very sorry for all of you (that use a TPG)." He did. One can sugarcoat it however they want to, but that is an insult to those of us that use TPGs.

In other words it would be like me saying, "T206s suck. I feel sorry for those of you that collect them." If I said that I would be roasted...and rightfully so.

David

No sugar coating needed, if you use TPG, I do feel sorry for you.

Learn to grade what you collect, and don't rely on people that put fakes and trimmed cards in slabs.

dan

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Ease

Good post DJ. I think where grading as a whole has really helped out is with the advent of the internet and buying cards by scans and pics. In the "old days" a guy would be able to see and touch it at a show, or he'd have to trust a dealer's assesment and buy by mail, which as John xperienced, was somewhat of a crapshoot. All in all, the top three tpgs are pretty consistent, if I'm buying an ex5, I have a good idea what I'm gonna get as opposed to a 2 or 3. Its pretty rare to see a 2 or 3 in a 5 slab. I know there are examples of that, but overall few compared to the ones they get right.

If you bought the Huggins recent lot of EX5 SGC 60s (33) total, then you bought about 8 blatantly trimmed cards that are slabbed SGC 60. I personnally viewed this lot with another guy who eats, shits, and breathes graded cards. Paper cutter dog earred cards in 60 holders. I guess these are old mistakes as well?

David, yes that Cobb card shows a crease in that scan, I will correct the scan, the card is currently crease free as I state.

And yes, I can grade cards, I have been looking at them 42 years and have watched the grades change. How long have you been grading cards?

And of course, I always accept returns and if you will notice, i didn't assign a grade to the Cobb.

Jim Rivera saw the Brunswick find, I guess he can't grade cards either??

dan

[Ease]

I'm not sayin they don't screw up man, but all in all they are consistent. I won't tug SuperDan's cape any more...

[E93]

Originally Posted by danmckee

David, yes that Cobb card shows a crease in that scan, I will correct the scan, the card is currently crease free as I state.

WIth all due respect, is that not the card that is for sale? Or was the crease removed? Ought that not be disclosed if that is the case?
JimB

[danmckee]

crease has been removed, disclose it for what purpose? Submit it for grading.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by danmckee

crease has been removed, disclose it for what purpose? Submit it for grading.

[danmckee]

I always called PSA

Pathetically
Sad
Authenticators

but you had some good ones!


I think we had a thread on soaking and crease removal sometime ago.

If someone could include a link to that here, that would be great.


Some approve, some don't

Bottom line is soaking and rolling creases has gone on since the 1960s.

Back the we did that strictly for appearance sake.

Now I realize that is taboo for some of you.

So I guess it would be better for you gents to buy graded cards, that way you at least know they haven't had creases rolled out.

Have a nice weekend everyone!

And again, my apologizes to David, my intention was not to insult him.

Dan Mckee

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by danmckee

I always called PSA

Pathetically
Sad
Authenticators

but you had some good ones!


I think we had a thread on soaking and crease removal sometime ago.

If someone could include a link to that here, that would be great.


Some approve, some don't

Bottom line is soaking and rolling creases has gone on since the 1960s.

Back the we did that strictly for appearance sake.

Now I realize that is taboo for some of you.

So I guess it would be better for you gents to buy graded cards, that way you at least know they haven't had creases rolled out.

Have a nice weekend everyone!

And again, my apologizes to David, my intention was not to insult him.

Dan Mckee

I think there was a T206 Wagner graded Nm-Mt by PSA that was trimmed

[glchen]

David, I'd give it up. Dan's a good guy, and you have to have a bit of a thicker skin when you use TPG's. I still submit to PSA (the horrors!), and I have to look at Andrew's sig every time he posts, which currently is the following:

Maybe PSA stands for:
"Please Submit Again"
"Pretty Sh!tty Assesment"
"Pretty Stinkin Awful"
"Please Smoke Another"

You can say that insults those who submit to PSA, but then again if PSA had better quality control, you can't say some of these comments aren't deserved.

[danmckee]

I will apologize to David if he was insulted. I shouldn't be insulting him. He has a right to collect anyway he chooses.

I do have to ask David - Vintage Topps? Isn't that an oxymoron? I thought all Topps cards are considered shiny stuff.

Just Kidding.


P.S. I also added sharp corners and better color to the green Cobb. I bought some new fancy solution off of ebay that I poured on it and it worked wonders!

Dan

[ChiefBenderForever]

This is so confusing, so you pressed the Cobb and removed the crease but used the old scan ?

[danmckee]

I think so Johnny, I have to get home and pull it out. I am fairly certain it is crease free.

But heck, I may have put another crease in it while working on it.

Don't buy it, it may be a scam from a terrible seller

Dan

[4815162342]

This thread is starting to go nuts like this one on the postwar BST: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=146858