Impossible Ty Cobb autographed ball passed by JSA and PSA

[travrosty]

I guess I am just asking if Mr. Williams thinks it's alright if auction houses list LOA's when they don't exist yet? Is that an honest, ethical thing to do?

When I broke the phantom JSA auction LOA story seven months ago, (on a lesser Muhammad Ali Operation bullpen item), why didn't you complain then? Is it because this story has legs compared to the last one and is getting people's attention? That item (Ali) was open for live internet bidding, not a preview with no bidding available yet, so that can't be an excuse, (preview only). They didn't have a problem listing the jsa auction loa that wasn't there when you could bid on the item over the internet.

[Bilko G]

interested to know if Heritage is gonna make a statement about this. I agree spot on with you Travis, good analysis.

[travrosty]

Thank you,

Whats a collector to do? Ask every auction house if their listed cert is the real one or the one that they hadn't gotten around to yet?

Why does Heritage do this? Obviously the average collector or bidder would never know the listings are the way they are. And they should know before they give an internet bid, or look at a preview item. Knowledge is power. Why does a column have to be written first?

[thetruthisoutthere]

I am hoping that Travis can post a photo of the PSA and JSA "Auction LOA." Please show it to me and the rest of the members here.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Bilko G

interested to know if Heritage is gonna make a statement about this. I agree spot on with you Travis, good analysis.

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I am hoping that Travis can post a photo of the PSA and JSA "Auction LOA." Please show it to me and the rest of the members here.

No worries... I'm sure Travis and Nash will issue corrections and apologies to PSA and JSA if it is confirmed that it was a Heritage error.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

No worries... I'm sure Travis and Nash will issue corrections and apologies to PSA and JSA if it is confirmed that it was a Heritage error.

Steve,

they have been issuing these auction loa's "ahead of time" for months and months. When asked why they do it this way, they didn't say "oh it was an error". They said I didn't understand how big auction houses work. I have the email.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I am hoping that Travis can post a photo of the PSA and JSA "Auction LOA." Please show it to me and the rest of the members here.

That isn't going to happen. Now that they have been caught it will be burned and removed from their records.

Eric

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

That isn't going to happen. Now that they have been caught it will be burned and removed from their records.

How can something that doesn't exist be destroyed? PSA is scheduled next week to visit HA (Heritage Auctions). That Ty Cobb has not been examined by either PSA or JSA.

Why wasn't there a photo of the PSA and JSA Auction Letter next to the photo of the Ty Cobb baseball? I didn't see it in the HA Preview Listing.

Can any of you show me a recent PSA Auction Letter? PSA has not issued Auction Letters for years.

What a bunch of Know It Alls we have here.

As for you, Egbeachley, if you're going to make a statement like that, please post your full name.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

How can something that doesn't exist be destroyed? PSA is scheduled next week to visit HA (Heritage Auctions). That Ty Cobb has not been examined by either PSA or JSA.

Why wasn't there a photo of the PSA and JSA Auction Letter next to the photo of the Ty Cobb baseball? I didn't see it in the HA Preview Listing.

Can any of you show me a recent PSA Auction Letter? PSA has not issued Auction Letters for years.

What a bunch of Know It Alls we have here.

As for you, Egbeachley, if you're going to make a statement like that, please post your full name.

Screengrab from article says "Full LOA from PSA/DNA and Auction LOA from JSA". It doesn't say anything about a PSA auction letter.

That is being very specific. I'm not sure how you can be so definitive that there is none without just coming out and saying Heritage is lying.

Eric

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I am hoping that Travis can post a photo of the PSA and JSA "Auction LOA." Please show it to me and the rest of the members here.

Isn't that heritage's responbility since they claim the item had one?

It's not my auction. It's theirs.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Isn't that heritage's responbility since they claim the item had one?

It's not my auction. It's theirs.

Travis, if you're going to jump on the bandwagon assaulting PSA about this Cobb item, then you better back up your claims.

Before you jumped on the never-ending bandwagon assaulting PSA, did you think to ask the author of that article to post the actual PSA and JSA Auction Letters? Did you think to ask Mike Henson, the person who started this thread, to post a photograph of the PSA and JSA Auction Letters?

[RichardSimon]

Well something is definitely rotten in the state of Heritage as far as this item goes.
Heritage for sure is full of sh-- for posting this ball and the fact that it had COA's from alphabet city.
PSA and JSA are probably full of sh-- too because if they did issue a COA they did not do much homework on the ball and if they did not issue a COA then they should be pissed as hell at Heritage.
But of course they would never complain to Heritage since that is one of their biggest (maybe biggest) accounts and they want to stay on the good side of Mr. Ivy. So things will stay business as usual.