Just a Little Concerned About This.....

[barrysloate]

Why don't you point out to him that is says Dover reprint right on the card.

[smotan_02]

Wait, so did you bid on the PSA 4 on the link and that guy sent you a reprint in a screwdown?

Wow, thats brave.

[GrayGhost]

Man needs to be thrown off ebay. a Stolen /borrowed photo then he sends you a reprint, that says reprint on it,a nd he says its real? UNBELIEVABLE

[FrankWakefield]

4 feedback on that seller, why even bid? I think you should get every penny back, including shipping. But next time look at feedback of the seller before bidding.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

4 feedback on that seller, why even bid? I think you should get every penny back, including shipping. But next time look at feedback of the seller before bidding.

Roger that, thanks

[Wymers Auction]

Since you paid with paypal hurry up and file a claim before he shifts the money out of his account. This should be a really easy battle and no hoops at all. What a stinking joke. You might want to explain this thread in your complaint and cut and paste our responses to this silly mess. Didn't I see that this item has been relisted?

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by Wymers Auction

Since you paid with paypal hurry up and file a claim before he shifts the money out of his account. This should be a really easy battle and no hoops at all. What a stinking joke. You might want to explain this thread in your complaint and cut and paste our responses to this silly mess. Didn't I see that this item has been relisted?

I noticed it was re-listed briefly after I paid and before it arrived, figured it was accidental. Nope, he or she was going to get somebody else, probably has multiple user ID's.

I opened claim opened this morning and it will include this thread. To say this site is helpful is a gross understatement.

Thanks

[mikedenero]

Saw this thread and saw that the "seller" used our scan. We have this card listed on eBay at $275 Buy It Now. What can we do to help? We obviously still have this card (the real PSA 4) in our possession.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Got a message from Paypal saying sleeveless commented with his side of the story and that the investigation is ongoing. Must be a toughie for them. No telling what sleezeful told them.

But I wanted to mention this: I used Bill Me Later for the 1% extra ebay bucks. If you use Bill Me Later and have an issue like this, it doesn't work the same as Paypal. With regular Paypal, everything can be handled right there on the Paypal website, very convenient and easy to do. With Bill Me Later, you will have to call Paypal with the Bill Me Later information for the transaction (I called Bill Me Later only to be redirected to Paypal via phone). After explaining everything to Paypal, they assign a case number and open the case. However, the case still cannot be viewed on the Paypal website, therefore I cannot add information to the case conveniently, such as the link here. Additionally, because the Bill Me Later is in my wife's name, she has to call with the details for the case. When the case was opened, the rep she spoke to immediately acknowledged the screw down versus the PSA holder. My wife is out of town, so I sent her this to relay on the phone today (please):

Seller stole the image for his listing from item # 330696464296
Card says Dover reprint on the back
Most importantly, Link to comments by pre-war enthusiasts/experts, which covers everything: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=150269

I imagine it'll be a pain in the neck for her to relay the above information, such as the link here, and the long transaction ID/case numbers to reference what she's calling about.

Thanks Bilko. Thanks again everybody, will update y'all

[rjackson44]

Take him to court

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Man needs to be thrown off ebay. a Stolen /borrowed photo then he sends you a reprint, that says reprint on it,a nd he says its real? UNBELIEVABLE

Yup, stolen scan.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1938-Goudey-...42518042082979

[smotan_02]

Hmmm..."M Rose" on Paypal...seller list "Hemet, CA" on the ebay site. Uses "Awesome" in an email.....Elementary dear Watson.


http://www.mroserestoration.webs.com/

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

Hmmm..."M Rose" on Paypal...seller list "Hemet, CA" on the ebay site. Uses "Awesome" in an email.....Elementary dear Watson.


http://www.mroserestoration.webs.com/

Holy cow! Donations?!!!! Thank you, great stuff

[Tsaiko]

Under Creative services. Yea, creative as a thief.

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/crs/2874783872.html

What a sweet guy.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

Hmmm..."M Rose" on Paypal...seller list "Hemet, CA" on the ebay site. Uses "Awesome" in an email.....Elementary dear Watson.


http://www.mroserestoration.webs.com/

I guess this comment in his initial reply indicated the obvious:

"...I have never taken anyone's money with the intent of defrauding them..."

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yup, stolen scan.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1938-Goudey-...42518042082979

Dang, thanks David.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Why don't you point out to him that is says Dover reprint right on the card.

I didn't even notice that until Al mentioned it. The perforated edges jumped out though.

Scotty, yes, I wanted the PSA 4, and I was also wondering if anybody here owns the actual card. I'm assuming this kid stole the image.

There was no return address on the package, just the name Rose. The seller's name on the Paypal transaction: "M Rose"

_______________


The latest:

Dear mroserestoration2012,
My Ebay seller ID has 1679 positives and 0 negatives, 5/5 stars for all categories. I've been a PSA member for 13 years, and my '38 Goudey PSA graded set is more than 20% complete.
- remembering_ruth

Dear remembering_ruth,
I think your ebay rating is awesome. I sold you the right card is my point. The issue is not your ebay rating. It is the fact that I sent you exactly what I said i was going to send. I do not know why you are doing this. I have several other Goudy cards that I have sold. I have never had an issue like this before. I think you need to do your homework on the card I sent. You will find it authentic
- mroserestoration2012

The word "awesome" in his reply jumped out like the perforated edges did = young 'un. The up and comer didn't even know how to spell Goudey. He or she said I should do my homework, so I started this thread to meet his or her request.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

You will find it authentic
- mroserestoration2012

didn't even know how to spell Goudey.

Sounds like you might be dealing with the Cincinnati Cousins. Now that their Honus Wagner hasn't been selling they thought they would deal with lower end items.

[HBroll]

Hi Greg,
I hope everything works out ok for you. This guy needs to be thrown off eBay and into jail. Keep us informed.
Howard

[Clutch-Hitter]

Received a message from sleeveless today:

Dear remembering_ruth,

I am attempting to cancel our transaction. I apologize for using a pic of another card that was exactly like the card I sold. I have a buyer for the card so please send me the same card in the same screwdown container. I am new to eBay and in no way was trying to be misleading. I sent you an authentic Goudy card. I did not know that the container would effect the card's authenticity. It doesn't seem to matter to my new buyer. Please let me know asap so we can resolve this issue and I can maintain my perfect eBay seller rating. Thank you

- mroserestoration2012

Having to pay for return shipping doesn't seem right at all. If I did, and because he still has an ebay account, that would confirm that there are no consequences for blatant scams on ebay. Besides, I definitely don't believe he'd refund my money either way unless forced to do so. I have until May 8 to agree to cancel, which seems like a second layer of scam.

[thecatspajamas]

Greg,
You should NOT agree to the cancellation request he sent. Certainly not before getting your money back. All that agreeing to the cancellation will do is allow eBay to refund the commission fees back to him. Personally, I would deny the cancellation request to be sure he gets stuck with the fees for his fraudulent transaction (technically, you'd be saying you still want to get what you paid for, which he obviously can't provide). Work with Paypal (or Paypal / Bill Me Later in this case) to get your money back. It's a sloooow process, but they are the ones with their fingers in his bank account and are far more likely to get your money back than this kid who was running a scam from the start.

If Paypal/eBay asks you to return the card to him for a refund, make sure you use tracking for the return so that you can prove when it was returned to him. If you told them it was a counterfeit card, they may not even require you to return it. Just know that on the other end of the claim, Paypal will have already frozen the funds associated with the transaction in this kid's account.

If he's trying to get you to cancel the transaction now and send the card back to him, it's only so that he can take advantage of another trusting bidder. You don't have to be in a hurry just because he is. If it's a long, painful process to get your money back through Paypal, might as well make him suffer along with you.

[buymycards]

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/

I'm not sure how involved the inspectors are in regard to eBay cases, but I would think they would be interested in this.

Rick