Hey, pennant guys

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Looks like the Walter Johnson went for a cool $11k. If that doesn’t include the BP, you can add another $2k.

Thanks, Rob. That seems pretty much in the ballpark, maybe even a little low for such an extreme rarity with such significance.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Thanks, Rob. That seems pretty much in the ballpark, maybe even a little low for such an extreme rarity with such significance.

Well, it beats a 1-poor ‘52 Mantle.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Well, it beats a 1-poor ‘52 Mantle.

All depends on what floats your boat, I guess. I love cards, too, but I've always been dumbfounded by what their cost can get you on the memorabilia side, but the proof is there as to which is the 800-lb gorilla, with autographs coming in second. Pennants are a particular favorite of mine.

[UKCardGuy]

That Walter Johnson pennant was pretty special. There were some other strong prices but I thought there were a few bargains too.

I got distracted in conversation and missed my opportunity on the 1946 Tigers
https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=250&lot_qual=

And did this one really go for just $99?
https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=252&lot_qual=

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Well, it beats a 1-poor ‘52 Mantle.

There are less than 3 known copies of the Walter Johnson Pennant, and literally thousands of "beater" '52 Mantles, either raw or in low grade. There's simply no contest regarding which piece displays better. I will never figure out the gigantic premium put on pieces of mass-produced cardboard that have no connection to the player.

The winning bidder probably paid about $14,250 with the BP, state tax and shipping included. I also thought it might do a bit better, but am not too surprised. The Yankees pennant Gary referenced should have gone for triple what it did. Tough to predict these erratic outcomes, but that's just the nature of Live Auctions.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by bocca001

This cool 3d pennant sold on ebay this week (not to me). It's pretty funny that you can lift up the kilt.

Thanks for the inspiration, Marc.

Here's my latest creation, inspired by the fine work of Collegiate of Ames:

https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...legiate-mfg-co

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Thanks for the inspiration, Marc.

Here's my latest creation, inspired by the fine work of Collegiate of Ames:

https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...legiate-mfg-co

Stellar work, as always!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

There are less than 3 known copies of the Walter Johnson Pennant, and literally thousands of "beater" '52 Mantles, either raw or in low grade. There's simply no contest regarding which piece displays better. I will never figure out the gigantic premium put on pieces of mass-produced cardboard that have no connection to the player.

The winning bidder probably paid about $14,250 with the BP, state tax and shipping included. I also thought it might do a bit better, but am not too surprised. The Yankees pennant Gary referenced should have gone for triple what it did. Tough to predict these erratic outcomes, but that's just the nature of Live Auctions.

Make that at least 4, with an asterisk, if you include this one. The story is that Walter objected to pennants being sold to young children and eventually refused to allow his likeness on them. Or something like that.

The actual story is that this was one of those pennants that hung at the celebratory banquet that I think Hank mentioned. I have a blurry pic from that banquet but would love to have a clearer copy.

There’s a 1925 Pirates pennant that resembles this, clearly the same manufacturer, but with a batter graphic inside the baseball, identity unknown …

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Thanks for the inspiration, Marc.

Here's my latest creation, inspired by the fine work of Collegiate of Ames:

https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...legiate-mfg-co

Fantastic, Kyle!!!

[thetahat]

Found a pic online

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Make that at least 4, with an asterisk, if you include this one. The actual story is that this was one of those pennants that hung at the celebratory banquet that I think Hank mentioned. I have a blurry pic from that banquet but would love to have a clearer copy. There’s a 1925 Pirates pennant that resembles this, clearly the same manufacturer, but with a batter graphic inside the baseball, identity unknown …

The photo of the WaJo pennants is in the Washington 1925 World Series program, showing the banquet for winning the 1924 A.L. pennant a year earlier with several of these on the walls. Since I've never seen a 1924 World Series crowd shot with one of these pennants, I'm guessing they were only made for that banquet, thereby accounting for their rarity, although I guess any pennant surviving from that era is almost by definition rare.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

The photo of the WaJo pennants is in the Washington 1925 World Series program, showing the banquet for winning the 1924 A.L. pennant a year earlier with several of these on the walls. Since I've never seen a 1924 World Series crowd shot with one of these pennants, I'm guessing they were only made for that banquet, thereby accounting for their rarity, although I guess any pennant surviving from that era is almost by definition rare.

Found my pic. It looks like these were the “plain baseball” versions, i.e. without the WJ graphic. Looks like the laces on the ball run horizontal. Hard to tell for certain. Wish I had a more detailed photo.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Found my pic. It looks like these were the “plain baseball” versions, i.e. without the WJ graphic. Looks like the laces on the ball run horizontal. Hard to tell for certain. Wish I had a more detailed photo.

Makes me wonder if the WaJo version was on the walls of the 1925 banquet, or if there was a '25 Washington version similar to the Pirates, which would have meant some kind of commercial distribution since the Nationals wouldn't have had Pirates pennants made up, I wouldn't think. Do we know anything about who made these?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Make that at least 4, with an asterisk, if you include this one. The story is that Walter objected to pennants being sold to young children and eventually refused to allow his likeness on them. Or something like that.

The actual story is that this was one of those pennants that hung at the celebratory banquet that I think Hank mentioned. I have a blurry pic from that banquet but would love to have a clearer copy.

There’s a 1925 Pirates pennant that resembles this, clearly the same manufacturer, but with a batter graphic inside the baseball, identity unknown …

Great '24 Washington Pennant, Greg! Is it oversize, full-size, or 3/4 size? I've seen that '25 Pirates Pennant in the past, and (from memory) I believed it was 3/4 size.

Also... Are we sure it's from the same manufacturer? The font is different, the laces are different, and the laces run horizontal, rather than vertical. Just curious how you are sure these come from the same maker.

Thanks!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Also... Are we sure it's from the same manufacturer? The font is different, the laces are different, and the laces run horizontal, rather than vertical. Just curious how you are sure these come from the same maker.

Thanks!

I thought the same.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Great '24 Washington Pennant, Greg! Is it oversize, full-size, or 3/4 size? I've seen that '25 Pirates Pennant in the past, and (from memory) I believed it was 3/4 size.

Also... Are we sure it's from the same manufacturer? The font is different, the laces are different, and the laces run horizontal, rather than vertical. Just curious how you are sure these come from the same maker.

Thanks!

Thanks Mark. Yes it’s full-size, about 28”. I just think by the general design it suggests the same maker. Also the laces on the WJ version run verticle. Here is it with mine, for comparison …

[bocca001]

This one is on ebay right now as a BIN. Keezer pennant with concessionaire label. Boston Badge and Speciality co. Seller also has the Yankees with the same label. Kyle looked up the address and noted that this was very close to the Boston Braves stadium.

[UKCardGuy]

Thanks to Marc and Rob for making this one available to me. It's my first Reproduction Co pennant.

My next step is to get this in a frame.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks to Marc and Rob for making this one available to me. It's my first Reproduction Co pennant.

My next step is to get this in a frame.

Glad it made it safely!

Rob

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Glad it made it safely!

Rob

Thanks. You did a great job packing it up. It's now framed but I need to re-visit the tassels. I think they need to go along the spine on the left side. I took the knot out of the tassels but after 110 years, they have a mind of their own.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks. You did a great job packing it up. It's now framed but I need to re-visit the tassels. I think they need to go along the spine on the left side. I took the knot out of the tassels but after 110 years, they have a mind of their own.

Looks good, Gary!

Untying these silk tassels was like doing surgery. I actually did use a dental instrument.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Thanks Mark. Yes it’s full-size, about 28”. I just think by the general design it suggests the same maker. Also the laces on the WJ version run verticle. Here is it with mine, for comparison …

Damn, that WAJO is a nice pennant!

[bocca001]

Just received this SF Seals pennant made by ABC Emblem and Pennant co, which we have discussed a few times over the years. I think there are two known SF Giants pennants (one with sewn letters, one screen printed) and a few college pennant examples on Worthpoint.

One interesting feature of the ABC pennants I've seen (I own two and have seen two from Oooribay) is that they are always in very nice condition. They almost look new. I also just bought this postcard which shows their storefront in SF (lower right corner). Clearly not a modern storefront. I think their pennants were just really well made. And maybe on the expensive side, so the people who were buying them were also the types likely to take good care of them?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Just received this SF Seals pennant made by ABC Emblem and Pennant co, which we have discussed a few times over the years. I think there are two known SF Giants pennants (one with sewn letters, one screen printed) and a few college pennant examples on Worthpoint.

One interesting feature of the ABC pennants I've seen (I own two and have seen two from Oooribay) is that they are always in very nice condition. They almost look new. I also just bought this postcard which shows their storefront in SF (lower right corner). Clearly not a modern storefront. I think their pennants were just really well made. And maybe on the expensive side, so the people who were buying them were also the types likely to take good care of them?

Cool pennant! Cool postcard! Do I have a screen printed ABC?

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Looks good, Gary!

Untying these silk tassels was like doing surgery. I actually did use a dental instrument.

That's a really nice framing job. I like the fishtail in the frame to match the pennant. How old is that Ohio pennant?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

That's a really nice framing job. I like the fishtail in the frame to match the pennant. How old is that Ohio pennant?

I just cut up a cheap plastic poster frame. The pennant is from 1904-05. I went to school at Ohio U.

I just discovered I can get a reprint of the manufacturer’s original catalog of “College and Society Goods.” I might have to pick one up.

[Fballguy]

ABC's contribution to the world of football pennants. Does this mean they also made the ubiquitous version which omits the coliseum reference?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I just cut up a cheap plastic poster frame. The pennant is from 1904-05. I went to school at Ohio U.

I just discovered I can get a reprint of the manufacturer’s original catalog of “College and Society Goods.” I might have to pick one up.

Before or after Mike Schmidt?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Before or after Mike Schmidt?

A little before Michael Jack.

Bob Brenly lived down the hall in my freshman dorm.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

ABC's contribution to the world of football pennants. Does this mean they also made the ubiquitous version which omits the coliseum reference?

Good question! This "ABC" mark on your Rams pennant actually is a concessionaire's mark (not a maker's mark); and it belonged to the ABC Beverage Co., who ran concessions at the LA Memorial Coliseum in the late 1950s and 1960s.

The same mark, you're probably aware, appeared on certain USC and UCLA pennants from the same era--both whom called the Coliseum home at that time.

I believe this Rams pennant (and the more common variant sans ABC mark) was made by Trench.

Now, pennants featuring the ABC Emblem & Pennant Co. maker's mark/label (like Boca's San Francisco Seals pennant) were also being made at this same time; however, to the best of my knowledge, they all featured a label and were made of sewed letter construction.

So the two outfits shared the same name; but that's about it.

[edtiques]

Hey pennant guys!! Just curious if this pennant has any value. It's 8 3/4 inches, not including tassels. There's a fold as you can see. I also have 3 pins from the tournament. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by edtiques

Hey pennant guys!! Just curious if this pennant has any value. It's 8 3/4 inches, not including tassels. There's a fold as you can see. I also have 3 pins from the tournament. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!!

The fold could easily be ironed out. I'm afraid the pennant and pins don't have much value. I'm assuming they're High School.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Good question! This "ABC" mark on your Rams pennant actually is a concessionaire's mark (not a maker's mark); and it belonged to the ABC Beverage Co., who ran concessions at the LA Memorial Coliseum in the late 1950s and 1960s.

The same mark, you're probably aware, appeared on certain USC and UCLA pennants from the same era--both whom called the Coliseum home at that time.

I believe this Rams pennant (and the more common variant sans ABC mark) was made by Trench.

Now, pennants featuring the ABC Emblem & Pennant Co. maker's mark/label (like Boca's San Francisco Seals pennant) were also being made at this same time; however, to the best of my knowledge, they all featured a label and were made of sewed letter construction.

So the two outfits shared the same name; but that's about it.

Good stuff Kyle. There must've been fierce competition to appear first in the phone book in those days.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Now, pennants featuring the ABC Emblem & Pennant Co. maker's mark/label (like Boca's San Francisco Seals pennant) were also being made at this same time; however, to the best of my knowledge, they all featured a label and were made of sewed letter construction.

ABC produced this screen printed pennant, too. You can see the same fat tassels and font. My screened version doesn't have a tag, but Bocca's does. I'm wondering if ABC maybe outsourced this for screen printing...it seems to me pennant makers would be set up for one production method (screened vs. sewn) or another. Can we think of companies that did both?

[HankAaron755]

Long time reader, first time poster. Appreciate all of the information and displays of personal collections. Makes me want to finally get mine out of storage and onto my walls to be enjoyed.

Attached are a couple of recent pick ups. Nothing too special or rare, but will go nicely with my Cardinal's collection.

[perezfan]

Great stuff Nick!

Eager to see more of your pennant collection (hopefully hanging on the walls!)

[edtiques]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

The fold could easily be ironed out. I'm afraid the pennant and pins don't have much value. I'm assuming they're High School.

Thanks Rob!! I kind of figured that, but I had to ask to make sure. Thanks again!!

[HankAaron755]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Great stuff Nick!

Eager to see more of your pennant collection (hopefully hanging on the walls!)

Appreciate it Mark! Big fan of your YouTube channel. Always look forward to watching when new episodes drop.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

ABC produced this screen printed pennant, too. You can see the same fat tassels and font. My screened version doesn't have a tag, but Bocca's does. I'm wondering if ABC maybe outsourced this for screen printing...it seems to me pennant makers would be set up for one production method (screened vs. sewn) or another. Can we think of companies that did both?

The collegiate pennant makers, namely Chicago Pennant Co. and Collegiate Mfg. Co. of Ames, IA, both offered screen printed (flocked) pennants and sewed letters through the 1970s. This is because their merch was generally sold in book stores and were considered premium items.

So some people liked that vintage look from the turn of the century and were willing to pay for it, decades later.

[Domer05]

Just finished making this pennant....

Read all about it on Pennant Factory, or just click here:

https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...nt-wgn-flag-co