Banned in Florida

[Yoda]

Well my choices of on-line vendors to purchase pre-war has been reduced by two:
1. PWCC - It is impossible, at least in my experience, to deal with these people under their new management with a flawed business model. I was barred for not making payment less than 10 hours after an auction ended and things went downhill after that. I will spare you the details but my head still hurts.
2. Greg Morris - I have been barred here because of perceived negative comments made on our board about current grading standards when my '49 Bowman Spahn, bought from them, got kicked back by the Ebay authentication program.
PWCC is certainly for the best, and I will say Greg certainly has thin skin for such a mild comment I made.

[G1911]

You really shouldn't care this much. PWCC is a criminal fraud ring; being banned by them is really not that big of a problem.

In April, you made a thread calling out a relatively small issue with them and said you would not do business with them: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=334797

In September, you were back with them and making a new thread about them, complaining about the result of sending them an insulting email : https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=339913

In October, you made thread #3 complaining about a ban. https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=342064

This is thread #4 of the year on the PWCC issue.


Greg Morris gave wrong information about a card's condition, the authentication program rejected it, and then you made a thread with a series of claims about the card and experience that didn't make sense and turned out to be mostly false (https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=327430). It was not rejected for not being authentic as you claimed, and your refund story where you again appear to have sent rude memos to the wrong people in your own telling.


I know I'm going to sound like an ass, but if you make false accusations about people or send them insulting memos they are likely to not want to do further business with you for the obvious reasons. At least know that if you do that to people they aren't going likely to continue dealing with you. You really should stop letting fraudsters live rent free in your head for peace of mind. There are plenty of decent folks out there selling and trading cards to enjoy and make good mutually beneficial deals with; you don't need PWCC.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by G1911

You really shouldn't care this much. PWCC is a criminal fraud ring; being banned by them is really not that big of a problem.

In April, you made a thread calling out a relatively small issue with them and said you would not do business with them: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=334797

In September, you were back with them and making a new thread about them, complaining about the result of sending them an insulting email : https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=339913

In October, you made thread #3 complaining about a ban. https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=342064

This is thread #4 of the year on the PWCC issue.


Greg Morris gave wrong information about a card's condition, the authentication program rejected it, and then you made a thread with a series of claims about the card and experience that didn't make sense and turned out to be mostly false (https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=327430). It was not rejected for not being authentic as you claimed, and your refund story where you again appear to have sent rude memos to the wrong people in your own telling.


I know I'm going to sound like an ass, but if you make false accusations about people or send them insulting memos they are likely to not want to do further business with you for the obvious reasons. At least know that if you do that to people they aren't going likely to continue dealing with you. You really should stop letting fraudsters live rent free in your head for peace of mind. There are plenty of decent folks out there selling and trading cards to enjoy and make good mutually beneficial deals with; you don't need PWCC.

To the bold part. Are you referring to the current, former, or both owners of PWCC? Aren't they the PSA/Goldin/PWCC triangle of greatness now?

[Yoda]

Greg, you certainly didn't take long to take me to task. I wish now I didn't make the post but thought others might find it interesting. You are right about my confusion and expressed exasperation about the the '49 Bowman Spahn, where I really got the wrong end of the stick. The thing is I still wanted the card, regardless of Ebay's ruling, but had no say in the matter. The fact that I kept looking in the wrong account for my refund is on me. I don't recall anything insulting said about Greg Morris only that I and others felt that his card grading standards had slipped a bit.
Can we declare a truce? This is not worth prolonging.

[MikeGarcia]

A lot of us just made popcorn.

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[raulus]

I'm definitely eager to see where this goes as well.

At the same time, it does seem like Yoda has more than his fair share of trouble with various sellers. Of course, my first post here was about a major AH and some excitement I was having. They didn't officially ban me, but I suspect the CEO won't be sending me a Christmas card anytime soon. So I suppose we all are due for some unnecessary nonsense from sellers from time to time.

Maybe Yoda just buys a lot more, so if 1% of his deals go bad, it happens more often than with the rest of us?

[Snowman]

I can assure you that PWCC does not ban anyone for non-payment within 10 hours of auction end.

Also, several people have expressed concern about GM grades not being quite as reliable as they used to be. Even Greg himself made note of how difficult it is to find good graders or to train graders in a recent podcast interview where he stated that he is no longer doing the grading himself (or at least no longer doing all the grading, which he used to do). I don't know of anyone else that has been banned for making such statements. I've even said this myself, yet no repercussions have come my way.

I suspect if you're being banned, it likely has something to do with something other than not paying within 10 hours of auction end and something other than saying someone's grades aren't as accurate as they used to be.

[Kco]

Originally Posted by raulus

I'm definitely eager to see where this goes as well.

At the same time, it does seem like Yoda has more than his fair share of trouble with various sellers. Of course, my first post here was about a major AH and some excitement I was having. They didn't officially ban me, but I suspect the CEO won't be sending me a Christmas card anytime soon. So I suppose we all are due for some unnecessary nonsense from sellers from time to time.

Maybe Yoda just buys a lot more, so if 1% of his deals go bad, it happens more often than with the rest of us?

Typically if someone has a ton of disagreements with many people and businesses and its a pattern, it's NOT usually those being complained about that are the problem, there is always one common denominator...

[Gorditadogg]

Yoda, you are always welcome here on Net 54 at least. I for one hope you please keep posting your Emily Litella tributes.

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[Yoda]

Thanks, Al. I needed that.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Well my choices of on-line vendors to purchase pre-war has been reduced by two:
1. PWCC - It is impossible, at least in my experience, to deal with these people under their new management with a flawed business model. I was barred for not making payment less than 10 hours after an auction ended and things went downhill after that. I will spare you the details but my head still hurts.
2. Greg Morris - I have been barred here because of perceived negative comments made on our board about current grading standards when my '49 Bowman Spahn, bought from them, got kicked back by the Ebay authentication program.
PWCC is certainly for the best, and I will say Greg certainly has thin skin for such a mild comment I made.

1. No need to support the biggest scammer in the history of the hobby and the group that purchased them and will be BK in 5 years.

2. I was barred by GM for returning 2-trimmed and colored cards. 1 was caught during the E-bay process with clear pictures they did not show.

The other was a red man that was trimmed and outed by SGC. The nice guy i spoke to @GM said returning the trimmed card, I wouldn't be banned when I asked, . The jokes on him. I was. We'll Greg Morris, my local guy is scraped from my trust as the one my family is to send my raw cards to sell. They relisted the card 2 grades higher as Min Size req not met and it sold for the same price. Good for Greg Morris. Great business plan. I' don't know how I will ever live without these 2 leaches. I'll spend my 50K a year somewhere else.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

1. No need to support the biggest scammer in the history of the hobby and the group that purchased them and will be BK in 5 years.

2. I was barred by GM for returning 2-trimmed and colored cards. 1 was caught during the E-bay process with clear pictures they did not show.

The other was a red man that was trimmed and outed by SGC. The nice guy i spoke to @GM said returning the trimmed card, I wouldn't be banned when I asked, . The jokes on him. I was. We'll Greg Morris, my local guy is scraped from my trust as the one my family is to send my raw cards to sell. They relisted the card 2 grades higher as Min Size req not met and it sold for the same price. Good for Greg Morris. Great business plan. I' don't know how I will ever live without these 2 leaches. I'll spend my 50K a year somewhere else.

I am not sure I followed your post completely. Why would GM ban you for returning cards?

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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I am not sure I followed your post completely. Why would GM ban you for returning cards?

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They don't. I've returned trimmed cards to GM with no issues. Sometimes they miss stuff. They're human. When they do, I provide good pics showing the issue. If it's a trimmed card, I show it against a ruler with a close-up photo of the trimmed edge. I've never had a problem.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

You'd certainly think and expect that showing your evidence and wording yourself in a polite manner would work out fine for all parties with a company such as that.

I've never had any issues with them, but I rarely buy unsigned cards. I'm usually outbid when dealing with GM. They get their strong prices for most of what I've been interested in. The only time I fared well was with a Kaline RC that was listed as "Low Grade/Marked". "Low Grade"? Assuredly. The "Marked" was a career-era ballpoint autograph.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They don't. I've returned trimmed cards to GM with no issues. Sometimes they miss stuff. They're human. When they do, I provide good pics showing the issue. If it's a trimmed card, I show it against a ruler with a close-up photo of the trimmed edge. I've never had a problem.

There is more to the story, I guarantee it. I know Greg pretty well and he doesn't ban folks for no reason. It's like banning a member here. That is the last thing we want done.
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[rjackson44]

Originally Posted by Leon

There is more to the story, I guarantee it. I know Greg pretty well and he doesn't ban folks for no reason. It's like banning a member here. That is the last thing we want done.
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correct leon gregg is a good honest person,story makes no sense.and who cares

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Leon

There is more to the story, I guarantee it. I know Greg pretty well and he doesn't ban folks for no reason. It's like banning a member here. That is the last thing we want done.
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I'd like to know what it was then Leon? Maybe it was a internal note I sent after E-bay contacted me for the colored card? Thanking them for selling me an obvious colored and creased card that wasn't noted or shown in their pictures...I DID SHOW the debacle on this BLOG when it happened. maybe they didn't like that? I have ZERO IDEA I don't really know and I don't really care why if I'm being honest. I don't know Greg from Adam. I guarantee that!!!!

https://www.net54baseball.com/showpo...75&postcount=5


I have purchased At least 100K worth of cards on this site alone without 1 issues over the years. ZERO. I have enjoyed it very much in fact. Thanks, Chuck

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They don't. I've returned trimmed cards to GM with no issues. Sometimes they miss stuff. They're human. When they do, I provide good pics showing the issue. If it's a trimmed card, I show it against a ruler with a close-up photo of the trimmed edge. I've never had a problem.

I've heard it through this website before that's EXACTLY what they do. I have been buying online from them for years with no issues. After returning 2 cards, 1 through e-bay authenticity, That's exactly what happened. No other reason why my bids would be blocked? Like i said, I could care less. If they can't tell trimmed and colored subjects in their raw cards...AND their grading sucks for the last year if I'm being honest. My eyes hurt and I CAN'T SEE buying anymore of their fake slop.