Question about PSA/JSA "Guarantees"

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

That is the key part of your posting. Nobody knows for sure what goes on with a quick opinion.

it's a secret, they don't want people to know. if people knew, they would probably be shocked to find out some guy they most likely never heard of that's probably not listed on their website and has ? hobby credentials has power to knock their item off of ebay. I use 'most likely' and 'probably' also because again, like Richard said, no one knows, which is the way they want it.

[Plinvestments]

Originally Posted by travrosty

it's a secret, they don't want people to know. if people knew, they would probably be shocked to find out some guy they most likely never heard of that's probably not listed on their website and has ? hobby credentials has power to knock their item off of ebay. I use 'most likely' and 'probably' also because again, like Richard said, no one knows, which is the way they want it.

To me, all of this is irrelevant because whoever gives the "likely genuine" tag will be backed up when and if the item is submitted for full authentication. I have yet to see a "likely genuine" fail further inspection. I'm not a huge fan of PSA or JSA but the fact remains that they created a market. PSA items sell for a premium and there are more buyers for their items. I wish it wasn't true but since it is, I have to play ball.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

I like having the protected slabs, could care less about authenticity because I don't sell. Nice if you drop them you don't need to worry about it flying out of a top loader or whatever or move around too much (depending on card etc). And unfortunately, re-sell value with a sticker goes waaaaay up (depending on item).

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by Plinvestments

I have yet to see a "likely genuine" fail further inspection.

I have personally had PSA/DNA fail items that I submitted that had received "likely genuine" when I purchased the quick opinion.

Tends to make me mad as hell when it happens, but it does happen. Had one within the past couple weeks as a matter of fact.

Mike

[cjedmonton]

Wow, my head is spinning from all this insight!

Since the overall lot only has a few autographed items (< 10), I'm now leaning toward finding a single buyer or consign to an auction house who will provide certs from a TPA.

As for the bulk of the lot, authentication is not a concern (programs, pennants, etc...). Even so, I'm not looking forward to all the scanning.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Plinvestments

To me, all of this is irrelevant because whoever gives the "likely genuine" tag will be backed up when and if the item is submitted for full authentication. I have yet to see a "likely genuine" fail further inspection. I'm not a huge fan of PSA or JSA but the fact remains that they created a market. PSA items sell for a premium and there are more buyers for their items. I wish it wasn't true but since it is, I have to play ball.

you only think they sell for a premium, they don't, and too many people have the 'i have to play ball' mentality, that allows psa and jsa to get away with what they get away with and not provide true customer service and an accurate opinion. they have too many customers 'playing ball' that they can do whatever they want and the customers come back for more.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Plinvestments

To me, all of this is irrelevant because whoever gives the "likely genuine" tag will be backed up when and if the item is submitted for full authentication. I have yet to see a "likely genuine" fail further inspection. I'm not a huge fan of PSA or JSA but the fact remains that they created a market. PSA items sell for a premium and there are more buyers for their items. I wish it wasn't true but since it is, I have to play ball.

you only think they sell for a premium, they don't, and too many people have the 'i have to play ball' mentality, that allows psa and jsa to get away with what they get away with and not provide true customer service and an accurate opinion. they have too many customers 'playing ball' that they can do whatever they want and the customers come back for more, many of them even admitting they don't like it and think these companies leave a lot to be desired. The companies get away with it because the customers let them. If people withheld their dollars until they got their act together, they would have to change, but customers don't, so we just get a lot more of the same and it will be that way forever unless people wake up. I have sold hundreds and hundreds of boxing autographs at good prices and I didn't pay for the non-expert opinion of these companies.

disclosure: I have sent a grand total of two autographs to jsa a few years ago when i didn't know any better, and I realized no extra profit and actually a loss on an item because I got the same price that I would have gotten without authentication, and I couldn't recoup my authentication fee by an increase in sale price.

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by travrosty

you only think they sell for a premium, they don't, and too many people have the 'i have to play ball' mentality, that allows psa and jsa to get away with what they get away with and not provide true customer service and an accurate opinion. they have too many customers 'playing ball' that they can do whatever they want and the customers come back for more, many of them even admitting they don't like it and think these companies leave a lot to be desired. The companies get away with it because the customers let them. If people withheld their dollars until they got their act together, they would have to change, but customers don't, so we just get a lot more of the same and it will be that way forever unless people wake up. I have sold hundreds and hundreds of boxing autographs at good prices and I didn't pay for the non-expert opinion of these companies.

disclosure: I have sent a grand total of two autographs to jsa a few years ago when i didn't know any better, and I realized no extra profit and actually a loss on an item because I got the same price that I would have gotten without authentication, and I couldn't recoup my authentication fee by an increase in sale price.

I know zero about boxing, but certed baseball autos certainly sell for more on eBay than uncerted.