Opinion on Babe Ruth auto

[packs]

You should probably ask them to verify the cert is real. Then I would point them to this thread and let them know the level of experienced collectors there are on this forum.

[Westsiders]

The JSA cert has been verified to be legitmate, but obviously, that doesn't mean that the auto is good. I've been told that there are some very experienced Ruth collectors in this forum, so I'm hoping someone can give me some specifics as to what's suspicious about this auto. Again, thanks for the help and any insight is greatly appreciated.

[travrosty]

can we see the jsa cert?

[Westsiders]

I don't have the cert...but the card company does. But again, this card company has been around for a long time and is very reputable, so I'm confident that JSA has certified this auto, but I'm not sure that the auto is legit.

For anyone that is well versed in Ruth auto's, please let me know what you think about this auto. If suspicious, please let me know what exactly you think is problematic with the auto.

Thanks Again!

[jgmp123]

Why are you so concerned with what's wrong with the autograph, but are being so secretive about everything...who is the card company? How much are they asking? What is cert #?

[thecatspajamas]

If it's a replacement for a previous card that there were issues with, why would you agree to accept it as a replacement without seeing the JSA cert. yourself? And again, if you yourself are questioning whether the signature is good, why would you agree to accept it as a replacement regardless of what certification it comes with? Just get your money back, and then shop around for one that is acceptable. Without knowing how much you're into this transaction for, you have to ask yourself, "If this was the first signature offered to me, would I have purchased it at that price?" If the answer is "no," (and judging by your misgivings, it is), then it's not an acceptable substitute.

As a seller, I have never been comfortable with the scenario of locking a buyer into accepting "store credit" for something they had to return. Just get the item back, give them their money back, and then let them decide whether to use that money to continue to do business with you.

[Westsiders]

Actually, a long story. I orginally purchased the first item from a 3rd party...not the card company. After I recieved the card, I saw I few things about the auto that I wasn't comfortable with. I did a TON of research, and was 100% convinced that the auto on the original card was not authentic. After presenting my case to the card company, they agreed to replace the original card. The photo in this link is what they're offering as the auto in the replacement card.

When I first saw the photo that they sent, I loved the appearance of the auto (big, bold, etc..). But after studying it, I felt that the "B" of Babe is atypical. I'm getting a lot of responses saying that there's "no way" this auto is real, but no one is willing to elaborate. I'm trying to present a case to the card company, as well as educate myself...so any further details would be appreciated.

[Westsiders]

They're not asking anything...it's a replacement card. The photo is of the Ruth auto that they are/were going to replace it with. I know there are a ton of experienced collectors in this forum, just hoping that someone can give me more than "don't like it" or "not good". I am new to collecting Ruth autos, and would like to know more.

Thanks.

[daves_resale_shop]

"The JSA cert has been verified to be legitmate"

If this is the case, then simply post the cert # and or cert itself...

net54 is clearly a community of experts in the field who are willing and able to lend a helping hand when necessary... The people who are members of this forum bring tremendous value and input to the hobby...Please, if you are asking for advice, be willing to divulge information as to where the autograph is coming from, what the cert # is & who certified it... If you are looking for input to protect yourself, you should be willing to share information to protect us all...

Although I am novice autograph collector I will say that I find many things wrong with this Ruth (most notably what you pointed out).

Please, do us all a favor... post the legitimate cert # and or the cert itself...

Kindest Regards & Happy Collecting!
Dave Jr.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Westsiders

I don't have the cert...but the card company does. But again, this card company has been around for a long time and is very reputable, so I'm confident that JSA has certified this auto, but I'm not sure that the auto is legit.

For anyone that is well versed in Ruth auto's, please let me know what you think about this auto. If suspicious, please let me know what exactly you think is problematic with the auto.

Thanks Again!

This line always scares me... Especially when big brother is watching and 2+2=5...

Originally Posted by Westsiders

Vague???

I've explained the entire situation. If I had the cert I would post it. This very reputable card company assured me that it's JSA certified.

And for those asking why I don't list the card companies name....it's to protect myself. If I came in here blasting this card company, what leverage would that leave me with? Remember, I'm still waiting for the replacement card. As it stands, I'm out a lot of $$, with no Ruth auto card to show for it. The card company agreed to show me the replacement auto before puting it in a card....and that is where the auto (photo'd) comes from. They have assured me that it's JSA certified...and it would be crazy for them to falsify that (simply wouldn't do it).

Like I said, I'm new here, so maybe there underlying circumstances that I'm not familiar...but set ups?? Really?? Why in the world would I make this story up?

I try to stay out of things where I end up needing to post my name but going to give my opinion here... You should have no problem giving us the information, you're not protecting yourself or anyone "holding the name", I personally believe your intent is to deceive and you want Net54 to tell you exactly what is wrong with your forgery so you can forge another, better one and ask again. I've seen a lot of companies deal with replacements, Panini, Topps, UD - NONE OF THEM EVER gives a photograph of what they are replacing it with LET ALONE ask you if you think the autograph is good prior to it going in the card, they simply replace it (so you're telling me over hundreds and thousands of replacements they gave you priority and special treatment? I think not). There is no JSA cert on this auto, there never will be. I'm not even familiar with Ruth and even I can tell you it is a piss ass poor forgery.

You don't have a photo of this "previous" card, and your photograph is taken with a low quality camera, all the card companies have much more expensive cameras that would take better pictures (even though they didn't provide you with this one)

And you're right, it would be crazy of them to falsify statements, but I highly doubt it is them - I don't even think they are involved, I think it is you. Your photo is piss poor and comes from a cell phone. I'd suggest leaving and not coming back. The only reason you would argue with some of the most knowledgeable collector's in the hobby is because you already knew the answer (your forgery, not a card companies). Leave and don't come back.


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[Sean1125]

A did a little bit more digging and even found the autograph you traced!

http://www.collecting-autographs.com...autograph.html

[GrayGhost]

Wow. BAM..

Great work, Mr. Holmes.

[GKreindler]

Whoa.

[daves_resale_shop]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

A did a little bit more digging and even found the autograph you traced!

http://www.collecting-autographs.com...autograph.html

Nice work!

[Mr. Zipper]

I've often suspected some of the "can you tell me specifically what's wrong with this autograph" inquiries were forgers testing the water and looking for improvement tips. (On chat boards everywhere... Not just here.)

This is the closest I've seen to confirming that suspicion.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

A did a little bit more digging and even found the autograph you traced!

http://www.collecting-autographs.com...autograph.html

I just noticed this thread today and must say GREAT WORK Sean.
Amazing how after you discovered this picture the OP has stopped posting.
Also pretty funny that an article about collecting Ruth autographs has a bogus illustration at the top.

[Westsiders]

Guys,

I'm the OP... My name is Scott Romero, and I live in Southern California. Everything that I've posted here is 100% true and accurate. The notions that I'm a forger...or even better "gang affiliated" are completely off-base. Btw...the name "Westsiders" comes from long standing fantasy football league (league was east coast based, and I was the only one on the West Coast...hence the name).

Again, I'm new here and must be missing something. The comments about "big brother watching", and "set up"...I just don't get. If I was a forger, wouldn't I pick a more typical Ruth auto to copy? The arguements/reasoning just don't make sense to me.

I think it's amazing that Sean found this auto on-line (I looked for hours with no success). But to be honest, I don't even know what to make of it. Is the auto on there because it's an example of a fake, or is it there because the author likes the appearance of the auto?

For arguements sake, let's take my photo out of it (which btw...was 100% sent to me by the card company). Is the auto itself real???

I am frustrated...but do appreciate help. And you guys must have some experience in these chat rooms that cause you to be extremely suspicious, just not sure why.

Thanks,

Scott

[yanks12025]

Wasn't there a article written acouple years ago about someone getting a Ruth auto from a card company and it was fake. So they asked for another and it was also bad?? Anyone know what I'm talking about.

[jgmp123]

It seems Sean has put a rest to all of our initial suspicions....