Unbelievable Marciano mess with certification-breaking story.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

maybe but i dont want to be, others helped but its not easy to put your name out there when strange things happen when you do. you get banned from auction houses and get remembered by people that have too much power in the hobby. They had their day in the sun and defending the indefensible like abc and xyz isn't going to work much longer. I have always said I am not against third party authentication as a concept, I think it could work if it were done right, and done responsibly and with check and balances and a customers bill of rights, using experts who know what they are doing and don't cut corners. I have always said that. I am just against the way it is being done right now.

The day will come when you won't see these guys defend their buddies in the abc, xyz industry. When that day comes i will start a thread inviting them to defend those companies, and no one will show up. They will deny them three times before the cock crows. They will say they weren't that close and never really knew those guys. We will all know the truth though. Just wait.

Bill Mastro was king and people were his buddy and photo op every time they had a chance and to speak out was to risk something. Now what happened? You can speak out about him freely because the defenders and buddies won't bother you about it anymore because they jumped off like rats on a burning ship.

Poor, poor Travis....

You mean like when your friends over at ANL post anonymous, cowardly and disgusting lies about Mr. Zipper and myself every time we criticize your friend Todd Mueller, Travis.

I've never read any nasty and disgusting lies posted about you, Travis, because of your views and opinions.

By the way, Travis, are any of your friends over at ANL also members of your new autograph site?

[travrosty]

you know its so ridiculous that if these marciano's had been exposed with coaches corner or ace certs that these same characters would run a 50 page thread on them. but because it's there buddies they like to criticize everyone BUT the people responsible for issuing third party certs for these autographs, that is PSA AND JSA.

Let's put the blame where it lies. We have no problem bashing ACE over the head, let's give it to psa and jsa when they deserve it too!

psa, jsa, ace, just all the same group of authenticators who don't know good boxing autographs from bad.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by travrosty

you know its so ridiculous that if these marciano's had been exposed with coaches corner or ace certs that these same characters would run a 50 page thread on them. but because it's there buddies they like to criticize everyone BUT the people responsible for issuing third party certs for these autographs, that is PSA AND JSA.

Let's put the blame where it lies. We have no problem bashing ACE over the head, let's give it to psa and jsa when they deserve it too!

psa, jsa, ace, just all the same group of authenticators who don't know good boxing autographs from bad.

Perhaps you've not been paying attention, but PSA and JSA take a pretty good bashing here too, much more I would say than the obvious suspects like STAT, ACE and Morales. They also happen to have more people in their corner than the obvious suspects because they actually do get it right more often than not.

[shelly]

Dan, the other compaines that you named are known to bad. If what you are saying is true then psa and jsa both fall in with them.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by shelly

Dan, the other compaines that you named are known to bad.. If what you are saying is true then psa and jsa both fall in with them.

Well, I've never felt like JSA and PSA are trying to deceive...do they get it wrong sometimes? Yes. The others mentioned pretty much never get it right and their motives for passing bad autographs are nefarious IMO.

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Well, I've never felt like JSA and PSA are trying to deceive...do they get it wrong sometimes? Yes. The others mentioned pretty much never get it right and their motives for passing bad autographs are nefarious IMO.

What do you call it when the "willfully" ignore evidence that they have incorrect exemplars? Or when they're proven wrong but won't admit it?

[shelly]

People who drink a fifth or take the fifth not sure.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

What do you call it when the "willfully" ignore evidence that they have incorrect exemplars? Or when they're proven wrong but won't admit it?

Mistakes are expensive and they don't like to admit them and that's wrong. I'm not in the corner of PSA or JSA, but I also don't equate them with the rest of the alphabet soup.