Opinions on Value/Authenticity

djson1 · #1 07-22-2014, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by shelly

Really, how can you say this is a good piece. Here is a Lefty Grove autograph. I dont care what year this was done. Just look and can anyone say that the sheet is authentic. The grove I am showing you has been authenticated by your top two guys. Then look at the F in Foxx and the Frirtz looks like the exact same hand writeing..Look at the Cronin.

To say that something is authentic and have him waste his money does not make sence. Just look before you leap.

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The first Lefty Grove sig I ever bought was on a 3x5 and it looks almost exactly like the one you posted. Same pressure as well. I bought mine from RJ Jack Smalling back in the day. Jack Smalling was known for collecting a ton of sigs on 3x5s that he obtained through the mail. I believe most of his stuff was good...although he did sell a lot of secretarials.

But one thing I have noticed is that Lefty Grove did vary his signature a little bit throughout his career. Although, if I read your comment correctly, you're saying the sample posted on this thread is probably not authentic. I think it does look suspect....as do the rest of the sigs on that page.

Runscott · #2 07-22-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by djson1

The first Lefty Grove sig I ever bought was on a 3x5 and it looks almost exactly like the one you posted. Same pressure as well. I bought mine from RJ Jack Smalling back in the day. Jack Smalling was known for collecting a ton of sigs on 3x5s that he obtained through the mail. I believe most of his stuff was good...although he did sell a lot of secretarials.

But one thing I have noticed is that Lefty Grove did vary his signature a little bit throughout his career. Although, if I read your comment correctly, you're saying the sample posted on this thread is probably not authentic. I think it does look suspect....as do the rest of the sigs on that page.

Sure he did, but not like this. For that reason you would never buy it alone. And because there are so many other easily-researched fakes on this list, you have another reason for not buying it.

Any time I see an obvious fake, like the Grove, I try to find more examples on the internet. It gives clues as to where the forgeries are coming from. And if I find an authentic one that looks the same, it also keeps me from looking like an idiot.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but all the people who said this piece looks great, must think that the signatures look just like real ones they have seen in the past. But they don't, or we would be able to find exemplars that look like them, and we can't. I would love to see that 3 x 5 that you are sure looks like this one.

shelly · #3 07-22-2014, 12:15 PM

Jason, The one I posted is authentic. I was saying how could they say the one on the sheet could even thougt to be authentic.

djson1 · #4 07-22-2014, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

... I would love to see that 3 x 5 that you are sure looks like this one.

Scott, sure, I'll scan the one I have (that looks like Shelly's) of Grove tonight when I get home. I think I also have a signed baseball card and ball with Grove on it, which I'll also post later tonight.

Runscott · #5 07-22-2014, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by djson1

Scott, sure, I'll scan the one I have (that looks like Shelly's) of Grove tonight when I get home. I think I also have a signed baseball card and ball with Grove on it, which I'll also post later tonight.

That's not the one I wanted to see, but thanks.

I wanted to see the one that you said looks like the Grove on this sheet.

djson1 · #6 07-22-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

That's not the one I wanted to see, but thanks.

I wanted to see the one that you said looks like the Grove on this sheet.

I guess we misread each other's comments then.

I was responding to Shelly when I said that I had one that looked exactly like his (the 3x5 of Grove that Shelly posted)...not the OP's. Like I stated, I think the Grove from the OP's sheet looks suspect. Grove usually signed smaller and slanted. That example looks tall and light-pressured.

djson1 · #7 07-22-2014, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

That's not the one I wanted to see, but thanks.

I wanted to see the one that you said looks like the Grove on this sheet.

For what it's worth anyways, I'll post the Lefty Grove's that I have. The two 3x5 cards look like the one Shelly posted. I'm not sure about the ball, but it does seem authentic, IMO. Any opinions on the ball are welcome. Anyways, to the OP, they look very different from the one on that signed page.

shelly · #8 07-22-2014, 10:40 PM

Jason, just curious who else is on the ball?

djson1 · #9 07-22-2014, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shelly

Jason, just curious who else is on the ball?

It's some old timers ball (circa 1970s?)... the more notables include Johnny Mize, Tommy Holmes, Ted Klu, and Monte Irvin, etc. There are minor stars such as Jim Gilliam, Dick Sisler, and Wally Post, etc. There is also a secretarial Campy.
Did you think the Grove looked iffy? I thought it seemed kind of sloppy, but since it was on a ball, I could understand the slight variation a bit.

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