Don't be surprised if..... (HOF debate!)

[UnVme7]

Non active guys for me are:

Randy Johnson
Biggio
Pedro
Smoltz
Pudge
Chipper
Vizquel
Jeff Kent(I know no one likes him but compared to other 2nd baseman, tough to argue)
Piazza
Griffey
Vlad
Thome
And I really like Tim Raines.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Guerrero
449-1496-.318 with 2590 hits
162 game average 34-113
10 100 RBI seasons
4 200 hit seaons
9 time all star
HOFer by 3 of 4 baseball reference metrics

And people are talking about Adam Dunn and Omar Vizqel?

[packs]

I loved Vlad.

[earlywynnfan]

I agree with Vlad completely.

I'm also a huge Vizquel fan, I'm heartened to hear many who didn't get the chance to see him every day pull for him.

[jimivintage]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I agree with Vlad completely.

I'm also a huge Vizquel fan, I'm heartened to hear many who didn't get the chance to see him every day pull for him.

I am a huge Vizquel fan, too. With that being said, I've seen a ton of American League games....which means I only saw highlight films of Ozzie. Ozzie happened to be my brother's favorite player growing up though. We were a very defensive-minded family.

Jimi

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Guerrero
449-1496-.318 with 2590 hits
162 game average 34-113
10 100 RBI seasons
4 200 hit seaons
9 time all star
HOFer by 3 of 4 baseball reference metrics

And people are talking about Adam Dunn and Omar Vizqel?

And one of THE strongest arms in baseball (ever). Very few tried to go the extra base against him. Don't believe me? Look up the word "canon" in the dictionary.

[wolf441]

Buck O'Neil as a player/scout/ambassador for the game and I think it's a crime that they didn't do it while he was still alive. One reason why Selig should NOT get in. I know he doesn't do the voting, but he could have made it happen if he wanted to...

[DaveW]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

And one of THE strongest arms in baseball (ever). Very few tried to go the extra base against him. Don't believe me? Look up the word "canon" in the dictionary.

Hmmm.... Canon - a regulation or dogma decreed by a church council

Perhaps you meant Cannon - a large gun that shoots heavy metal or stone balls and that was once a common military weapon

Either way, I'd vote for Vlad.

[jimivintage]

Originally Posted by UnVme7

Non active guys for me are:

Randy Johnson
Biggio
Pedro
Smoltz
Pudge
Chipper
Vizquel
Jeff Kent(I know no one likes him but compared to other 2nd baseman, tough to argue)
Piazza
Griffey
Vlad
Thome
And I really like Tim Raines.

Again, all off the top of my head in the original post....plus I was trying to think "outside the box" with non-players. So, admittedly, I failed to list a few others that have a shot at the HOF. So in addition to that thread, I'd also pick:

- Vlad (most definitely)
- Griffey (duh!! Forgot about him.)
- Pudge
- Chipper

I used to pull Kent and Raines cards, but I think Kent gets left off ultimately. I like Raines, too, but isn't he off the ballot now that they went to 10 years instead of 15? Or did he get "grandfathered" in for the duration of the 15 original years?

Jimi

[UnVme7]

Originally Posted by jimivintage

Again, all off the top of my head in the original post....plus I was trying to think "outside the box" with non-players. So, admittedly, I failed to list a few others that have a shot at the HOF. So in addition to that thread, I'd also pick:

- Vlad (most definitely)
- Griffey (duh!! Forgot about him.)
- Pudge
- Chipper

I used to pull Kent and Raines cards, but I think Kent gets left off ultimately. I like Raines, too, but isn't he off the ballot now that they went to 10 years instead of 15? Or did he get "grandfathered" in for the duration of the 15 original years?

Jimi

Oh I know. That's just my list. :-)

Correct, I believe they are grandfathered in, so he has a little while longer. It will be tough.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UnVme7

Non active guys for me are:

Randy Johnson
Biggio
Pedro
Smoltz
Pudge
Chipper
Vizquel
Jeff Kent(I know no one likes him but compared to other 2nd baseman, tough to argue)
Piazza
Griffey
Vlad
Thome
And I really like Tim Raines.

If the voters keep Bonds out, I would hope they don't look the other way on Pudge and Piazza.

and, altho we'll never know and he'll always deny it, I have always suspected Kent may have used.

[UnVme7]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

If the voters keep Bonds out, I would hope they don't look the other way on Pudge and Piazza.

and, altho we'll never know and he'll always deny it, I have always suspected Kent may have used.

I hear ya. As for steroids with those 3, Piazza is on the top of the list for me, then Pudge, then Kent. I personally think Kent is clean, just do, but I understand what you mean. Do I think Pudge did? Probably, but there isn't much physical evidence that proves this. Do I think Piazza did? Yep, but suspicion isn't good enough for me, nor is it fair to the player.

[chris6net]

Gil Hodges

[jimivintage]

Originally Posted by chris6net

Gil Hodges

I won't necessarily disagree with you on whether he deserves to get in, but if he hasn't yet, and he hasn't played since the '60s....he ain't getting' in. The Veteran's Committee has kept him off all these years, so I can't see that they'd all of a sudden think he is one.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UnVme7

I hear ya. As for steroids with those 3, Piazza is on the top of the list for me, then Pudge, then Kent. I personally think Kent is clean, just do, but I understand what you mean. Do I think Pudge did? Probably, but there isn't much physical evidence that proves this. Do I think Piazza did? Yep, but suspicion isn't good enough for me, nor is it fair to the player.

Agreed....suspicion isn't fair.....but not everyone had BOTH overzealous Feds AND two bank rolled newspaper guys after them. If you never really looked, how can you say, one way or another?

Bonds was my guy...I won't deny he used and I won't call it a "witch hunt"...but I will say no other player has had a tenth of the resources directed at him that Bonds did. OK....I'll get off my soapbox.

Carry on.

[sago]

Of those already listed, Griffey, Johnson, and Vlad. The Mets fan in me cannot say Chipper Jones, even though he probably deserves it.