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08-24-2015, 10:10 AM
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Trout, Kershaw, and (to a lesser extent) McCutchen are certainly on a HOF pace, but they're still early enough in their careers that they're more of a gamble. If they keep up what they've been doing for another 5-10 years, then they'll definitely be HOFers, but if their careers ended today, they wouldn't. Cabrera, Pujols, and Ichiro have done enough to be HOFers even if they retired today.
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08-24-2015, 10:15 AM
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Guys who haven't been named yet:
Jorge Posada (eventually) Ivan Rodriguez (probably) Chipper Jones Omar Vizquel (eventually) Roy Halladay (maybe) Buster Posey (might be the greatest catcher of all time one day) A word to the wise re: Kershaw / Felix. I'd be very careful. Johan looked like a lock too after winning 2 CYs and 3 ERA titles. Things ended much differently than they started. Last edited by packs; 08-24-2015 at 10:47 AM.
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08-24-2015, 11:15 AM
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Still early on some on my list and some should be and or maybe one day (this list is just partial list keep in mind drugs off the field attitudes also play into HOF some may never get in PED I hope never get it, and probable most controversial list and some will argue but you asked potential)
Larry Walker Don Mattingly Sammy Sosa Mark McGwire Barry Bonds Juan Gonzalez Miguel cabrera Derek Jeter Albert Pujols Dave Justice Fred McGriff Kenny Lofton Clayton Kershaw Andrew McCutchen Buster Posey Mike Trout Kevin Millwood- Millwood was part of a pitching rotation which featured Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz. In 1999 he was selected to his only All-Star Game and helped the Braves to the 1999 World Series and two seasons later the 2001 National League Championship Series. As a member of the Indians, his 2.86 ERA lead all American League pitchers,Millwood made his debut with the Atlanta Braves on July 14, 1997. A year later, he won 17 games. Millwood formed a part of the Braves' star pitching rotation, which also consisted of Greg Maddux, John Smoltz and Tom Glavine. According to Nate Silver, the 1997 Braves starting rotation was the best in the history of baseball.[1] Millwood was traded by the Braves to the Philadelphia Phillies for catcher Johnny Estrada in order to cut their payroll in the midst of economic difficulties. He went 14-12 with his new team, including throwing a no-hitter against the San Francisco Giants on April 27 coming in the Phillies final season at the stadium. Nick Markakis--Maybe not so much Darryl Strawberry Joe Mauer Elvis Andrus-- I just like the way he plays plus he was the 2nd youngest to play MLB, I think he MIGHT get in the Texas Rangers HOF Andruw Jones George Springer Justin Morneau Pudge Chipper Ichiro David Ortiz Griffey JR Mariano Rivera Bryce Harper Last edited by Wayne; 08-24-2015 at 02:47 PM.
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08-24-2015, 11:33 AM
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I like the dark horses. Here are some more that could get in (particularly if Hall voters of the future are more into sabermetrics).
Kevin Brown Dave Stieb Chase Utley Mike Mussina Jeff Bagwell
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08-24-2015, 02:44 PM
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Markakis!? Really? Has what, 2 hr's? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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08-24-2015, 02:48 PM
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Has Markakis even made an All-Star Game?
Millwood???
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08-25-2015, 07:55 AM
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A guy who hasn't been mentioned, Andrew Jones. He has a lot better chance than most names people are throwing out. One of the 3 best defensive outfielders all time, with Clemente and Mays, plus a very good hitter in his prime.
If David Ortiz is a hofer, then so are Norm Cash, Fred McGriff, Will Clark and Keith Hernandez. The voters who are likely to over look his doping are going to look at his 49 war and see him as a poor man's Mark McGwire Last edited by rats60; 08-25-2015 at 08:01 AM.
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08-24-2015, 03:23 PM
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Morneau, Springer, Andrus maybe in the Hall of above average
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08-24-2015, 09:55 PM
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A huge potential that hasn't been mentioned is Paul Goldschmidt. Of course after 5 years isn't a sure shot, but he is on pace to have an outstanding career and getting better each year.
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08-25-2015, 10:30 AM
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Sammy Sosa Mark McGwire Barry Bonds Juan Gonzalez Nick Markakis--Maybe not so much Darryl Strawberry Larry Walker Clayton Kershaw ----------------------------As long as he stays in the National League Andrew McCutchen Miguel cabrera Mike Trout Derek Jeter Albert Pujols Pudge Chipper Joe Mauer Ichiro Griffey JR Mariano Rivera Bryce Harper Fred McGriff MY Added list; Sale Abreu Baines Thome Raines LONG STRETCH A.J. Buehrle Konerko
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08-25-2015, 11:02 AM
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Hard to predict until a player has 7 or 8 years in. I remember sorting through cards about 10 to 12 years ago and putting aside cards of players I thought might turn out to be great. Last year about 80% of those cards went into the commons bin. I think a few years ago there was a guy on this board making plans to go to Grady Sizemore's Cooperstown induction.
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08-25-2015, 11:05 AM
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08-25-2015, 12:01 PM
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So Bonds (Yes PEDs but who cares he was light years better than everyone else taking them) doesn't get in and Harold Baines does? If this happens The HOF has zero credit in my book. We should be talking who to take out not trying fit more guys in. BTW I can't think of a single White Sox player who I think isn't in yet deserves to be. Maybe Raines but thats it.
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08-25-2015, 01:06 PM
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 I'd never vote for Bonds sorry just my stand point on him as a person (how you handled the media counts even though it shouldn't see Jack Morris for that) and as a jealous PED user. If you let PED users in McGwire should be a lock as well as Sosa. At least those guys were likable. And they both have the stats or should we say HR's to put them in.
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08-25-2015, 01:28 PM
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So yes McGwire Palmeiro Sosa Bonds...I believe should get in.
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08-27-2015, 08:30 AM
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Miguel Cabrera. Barring any unforeseen problems, should win the batting title again this year, by a staggering 40+ points. The most dominant player of the decade, and as surefire a HOF'er as one can be at this point with only 13 years played.
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08-24-2015, 12:00 PM
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08-25-2015, 07:07 PM
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Chipper should be a sure-fire, first-ballot electee, unless I'm not aware of some PED taint. Posey is a fabulous catcher, but will have trouble dislodging Berra, Campanella and Bench for the title of the greatest of all time, especially with the much-discussed shift to first base, and the fact that he never has had quite the HR power of the other three. As to Kershaw, I'd never put money on pitchers as sure-bet HOF'ers until nearly the final tally is in. What they do best is get hurt and/or lose their effectiveness. Verlander, for example, pitched himself into the HOF in his twenties, and pitched himself back out (thus far) in his thirties. Another reason to be leery of Kershaw is the fact that much of his effectiveness is due to the trick/hitch delivery, and the fact that the ball seems to suddenly appear from behind his head. The latter worked for Jerod Weaver until his fastball dropped to mid-80's at best, and with respect to the former, hitters often get accustomed to freak deliveries. Kershaw has virtually the exact same stuff as Bumgarner: 93-95 mph fastball, good slider and curve. Both are very good pitchers, but IMHO, Kershaw to date has piled up the better stats due to the hitch/halt in his delivery, and the fact that he hides the ball better than the Giants' ace. Just my two cents worth, Larry Last edited by ls7plus; 08-25-2015 at 07:15 PM.
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08-26-2015, 06:26 PM
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As stated elsewhere, what pitchers do best is get hurt or lose their fastballs, most often right after someone signs them to a very large contract. We have no idea if Kershaw is going to turn out any better than say, Justin Verlander, who pitched himself into the Hall in his 20's and thus far (with the exception of 7 of his last 8 starts--it appears that he is learning the importance of command with his fastball, a better slider to get righties out with,, and generally how to pitch, rather than just be a power thrower, something he's never had to do before this), out of it in his 30's. See in this vein also Sudden Sam McDowell, who was virtually unhitable for a large portion of the '60's, as well as Gooden, who was all the rage in the collecting circles of the '80's and even into the very early '90's.
Let us also not forget Kerry Wood, who before hurting himself, was about as dominant as they come. On the other hand, some guys just enjoy shooting craps! Great discussion, Larry Last edited by ls7plus; 08-26-2015 at 06:41 PM.
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08-26-2015, 07:23 PM
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I believe with the way baseball has changed that the day of 300 game winners is over. Kershaw has been the most dominant pitcher in baseball for a 5-6 year stretch and counting. Is he going to win 511 games or throw 25-30 complete games a year?? Of course not but neither is anyone else. In my opinion if Kershaw retired at the end of this season he would be a HOFer. His stretch of greatness has been just as impressive as Koufax in my opinion and nobody questions him being a HOFer.
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If there's any ounce of justice left he shouldn't be in the HOF.
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A guy who was headed for greatness but imploded after age 30 was Roy Oswalt. He had a phenomenal record after his first 8 years. (134-62)
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I'll take 5 years from a Koufax over a Phil niekro career any day.
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The problem with the anti (Yadier) Molina camp is that, as with any catcher, you can't just look at offense. Molina has been the team captain since he joined the team in 2004. Molina has is ranked 18 all time in putouts and the only active player ahead of him (Pierzynski) has 6 more years then him (the least amount of years ahead of him is 3 more seasons). His total zone runs is ranked only second behind Ivan Rodriguez. His caught stealing percentage leads the way buy 5.97% of the next active catcher. He also may not have the most impressive offensive numbers, but they aren't shabby either. This combined with the fact that he has a .328 BA in 21 World Series games he may have enough to push him over. And he does this all as a FULL TIME catcher (Molina has the second most games as a Catcher again behind Pierzynsk), having only played 2 full games as a 1st baseman (after starting in 4 and playing in a total 32). Compare this to Posey (someone mentioned may be the best catcher) who has already started 132 games at 1B. Also Posey only has a dWAR of 5, with his best season topping out at 2 (Molina has a career dWAR of 20 with 5 seasons at 2 or higher). Posey is a good offensive player, but I predict he will be moved to a full time 1B position to keep him playing as happens to most catchers with better offense than defense. All this said I don't think this makes him a sure shot. I believe he needs a few more decent seasons to make it more clear that he deserves to be in the ranks of the other catcher greats, but he is certainly shown he has what it takes thus far.
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I'm not a big WAR guy, I see a lot of problems with it. However when we are comparing players at the same position, I also see it's value. More and more HOF voters are going to look at advance metrics and use them in their process. Molina is a very good player, just not HOF worthy.
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Again, I know I am bias and I know it isn't a sure thing, but I wouldn't count him out as career catchers are rare and even rarer to maintain as the premier defensive catcher after 10 years.
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