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Don Mattingly
Sammy Sosa
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds
Juan Gonzalez

Dave Justice
Kenny Lofton
Buster Posey
Kevin Millwood-
Nick Markakis--Maybe not so much
Darryl Strawberry

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Andruw Jones -------------Try Torii Hunter
George Springer
Justin Morneau
David Ortiz
Larry Walker
Clayton Kershaw ----------------------------As long as he stays in the National League
Andrew McCutchen
Miguel cabrera
Mike Trout
Derek Jeter
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Bryce Harper
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Hard to predict until a player has 7 or 8 years in. I remember sorting through cards about 10 to 12 years ago and putting aside cards of players I thought might turn out to be great. Last year about 80% of those cards went into the commons bin. I think a few years ago there was a guy on this board making plans to go to Grady Sizemore's Cooperstown induction.
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Hard to predict until a player has 7 or 8 years in. I remember sorting through cards about 10 to 12 years ago and putting aside cards of players I thought might turn out to be great. Last year about 80% of those cards went into the commons bin. I think a few years ago there was a guy on this board making plans to go to Grady Sizemore's Cooperstown induction.
Tom I'm a Sox fan but boy did Sizemore sure have some bad luck. Had injuries not kept him sidelined so much we would be talking about one of the best Center Fielders of that era easily.
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That's my point, Josh. Anything can happen in baseball.
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Woulda coulda shoulda.

Chris Sale has 56 wins. Why are we even talking about him? Revisit in 5 years.
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Chris Sale has 56 wins. Why are we even talking about him? Revisit in 5 years.
Then what about Harper, Springer, Trout, etc ?
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Then what about Harper, Springer, Trout, etc ?
My argument has been that it's much too early on those guys, see posts above.
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Chris Sale has 56 wins. Why are we even talking about him? Revisit in 5 years.

Idk, maybe because of almost 1,000 K's through his age 26 season. Certainly has the looks of getting to 3k.

Felix will be a HOF'ER, if healthy. He played on bad Mariners teams and doesn't have many wins. Gunna hold him back too? Pointless column is Wins.


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Idk, maybe because of almost 1,000 K's through his age 26 season. Certainly has the looks of getting to 3k.

Felix will be a HOF'ER, if healthy. He played on bad Mariners teams and doesn't have many wins. Gunna hold him back too? Pointless column is Wins.


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Would anyone consider these guys the best at their respective positions for 5-10 years? Probably not. Maddux "yes", Glavine "yes" Pedro "yes". Sale "not yet" Hernandez "no", Jack Morris "no" etc.

I think Sale will get there if he stays healthy. He's up there with Kershaw etc.

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Don Mattingly
Sammy Sosa
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds
Juan Gonzalez

Dave Justice
Kenny Lofton
Buster Posey
Kevin Millwood-
Nick Markakis--Maybe not so much
Darryl Strawberry

Elvis Andrus--
Andruw Jones -------------Try Torii Hunter
George Springer
Justin Morneau
David Ortiz
Larry Walker
Clayton Kershaw ----------------------------As long as he stays in the National League
Andrew McCutchen
Miguel cabrera
Mike Trout
Derek Jeter
Albert Pujols
Pudge
Chipper
Joe Mauer
Ichiro
Griffey JR
Mariano Rivera
Bryce Harper
Fred McGriff



MY Added list;

Sale
Abreu
Baines
Thome
Raines

LONG STRETCH

A.J.
Buehrle
Konerko

So Bonds (Yes PEDs but who cares he was light years better than everyone else taking them) doesn't get in and Harold Baines does? If this happens The HOF has zero credit in my book. We should be talking who to take out not trying fit more guys in.

BTW I can't think of a single White Sox player who I think isn't in yet deserves to be. Maybe Raines but thats it.
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So Bonds (Yes PEDs but who cares he was light years better than everyone else taking them) doesn't get in and Harold Baines does? If this happens The HOF has zero credit in my book. We should be talking who to take out not trying fit more guys in.

BTW I can't think of a single White Sox player who I think isn't in yet deserves to be. Maybe Raines but thats it.
Raines over Baines ???? Current Sox player not to be in yeah I did say those were stretches. What about Minoso ? Or Pierce ? Both stretches too

I'd never vote for Bonds sorry just my stand point on him as a person (how you handled the media counts even though it shouldn't see Jack Morris for that) and as a jealous PED user.

If you let PED users in McGwire should be a lock as well as Sosa. At least those guys were likable. And they both have the stats or should we say HR's to put them in.
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Raines over Baines ???? Current Sox player not to be in yeah I did say those were stretches. What about Minoso ? Or Pierce ? Both stretches too

I'd never vote for Bonds sorry just my stand point on him as a person (how you handled the media counts even though it shouldn't see Jack Morris for that) and as a jealous PED user.

If you let PED users in McGwire should be a lock as well as Sosa. At least those guys were likable. And they both have the stats or should we say HR's to put them in.
Admittedly I don't know a ton of the Metrics on Baines but I am in the "You judge players in the era they played" Category and I feel as though they should all get in just notate it as the "Steroid Era" like we have the "deadball era", etc.

So yes McGwire Palmeiro Sosa Bonds...I believe should get in.
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Miguel Cabrera. Barring any unforeseen problems, should win the batting title again this year, by a staggering 40+ points. The most dominant player of the decade, and as surefire a HOF'er as one can be at this point with only 13 years played.
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