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Runscott · #1 02-09-2016, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1

As a lawyer, I endure daily comments, from friends, family, and complete strangers about what a sleazy profession. I am sure there have been dozens of sleazy lawyers comments in this thread alone. I guess I've gotten immune to such nonsense.

Wrong to disparage an entire profession obviously based on the actions of a few knuckleheads.

I can't think of any other profession where you can be successful by screwing people, and not be doing something illegal. The entire profession isn't sleazy - just certain branches.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 02-09-2016, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

I can't think of any other profession where you can be successful by screwing people, and not be doing something illegal. The entire profession isn't sleazy - just certain branches.

Which branches are those?

Runscott · #3 02-09-2016, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Which branches are those?

None of them Peter. They are all nice and there should not be any lawyer jokes.

Mark17 · #4 02-09-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

I can't think of any other profession where you can be successful by screwing people, and not be doing something illegal. The entire profession isn't sleazy - just certain branches.

Totally agree. I also think the law itself encourages a lot of this, but the Trial Lawyers Association resists any meaningful tort reform.

In many disputes, one party is in the right while the other isn't, or one party is reasonable and the other is greedy, and so on. There have to be plenty of times when lawyers think to themselves: "I'm working for the jerk and my job is to help him screw the good guy."

But, lawyers work for whomever hires them, and sometimes that's the jerk.

*Perry Mason was the exception - his clients were always innocent.

Snapolit1 · #5 02-09-2016, 04:13 PM

A lawyers' job is to use every tool he or she possibly can to represent the interests of his client as long as they are within the ethical rules governing lawyering. A lawyers' obligation is not to you, or me, but to his/her client and the court. If you violate the rules and go over the line you should be punished.
Some times they're not, but for those of you outside the legal system you'd be surprised how many times state bar associations eventually catch up with the bad guys and root them out.

I always thought Johnny Cochrane gave the best legal performance of my lifetime, and I know he pissed off a couple of hundred million people. Was a zealous advocate. Did everything he could to get his client off the crime for a crime every one of us was probably convinced he did. Hell, people represented the Nazis in American courts. Representing unpopular people is I think the most noble part of the profession and upholds the values our country was founded on.

Runscott · #6 02-09-2016, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1

A lawyers' job is to use every tool he or she possibly can to represent the interests of his client as long as they are within the ethical rules governing lawyering. A lawyers' obligation is not to you, or me, but to his/her client and the court. If you violate the rules and go over the line you should be punished.
Some times they're not, but for those of you outside the legal system you'd be surprised how many times state bar associations eventually catch up with the bad guys and root them out.

I always thought Johnny Cochrane gave the best legal performance of my lifetime, and I know he pissed off a couple of hundred million people. Was a zealous advocate. Did everything he could to get his client off the crime for a crime every one of us was probably convinced he did. Hell, people represented the Nazis in American courts. Representing unpopular people is I think the most noble part of the profession and upholds the values our country was founded on.

It's baffling to me that anyone would not understand the jokes and remarks about lawyers. The fact that lawyers are necessary and some of them are wonderful people doing wonderful things, is also understood.

Okay, I'm though trying to fix people on the internet for today.

ALR-bishop · #7 02-09-2016, 04:39 PM

If you are fortunate you may never need one. If you need one, tell them a bunch of lawyer jokes by way of introduction.

Runscott · #8 02-09-2016, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark17

But, lawyers work for whomever hires them, and sometimes that's the jerk.

Exactly - they are doing their job as their job is defined.

masimen · #9 02-09-2016, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

I can't think of any other profession where you can be successful by screwing people, and not be doing something illegal. The entire profession isn't sleazy - just certain branches.

How bout the record business?

ullmandds · #10 02-09-2016, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by masimen

How bout the record business?

maybe 40yrs ago.

masimen · #11 02-09-2016, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

maybe 40yrs ago.

40 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago, last week and today.

Exhibitman · #12 02-09-2016, 07:35 PM

Insurance. It is the only profession that consists of promising to help someone when they need it then trying to find ways to weasel out of it entirely or at least cut down on the value of the help to be rendered when the other side comes calling. There isn't a single insurance claim I've handled in 25 years of representing insureds where the insurance company hasn't tried to screw the insured out of something, whether by outright wrongful denial of a claim or by using unrealistic estimating tools to try to cut down on the payout.

ls7plus · #13 02-09-2016, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Insurance. It is the only profession that consists of promising to help someone when they need it then trying to find ways to weasel out of it entirely or at least cut down on the value of the help to be rendered when the other side comes calling. There isn't a single insurance claim I've handled in 25 years of representing insureds where the insurance company hasn't tried to screw the insured out of something, whether by outright wrongful denial of a claim or by using unrealistic estimating tools to try to cut down on the payout.

Well stated and a hearty ditto! I can expand that period to at least 30 years of actual experience confronting that kind of behavior.

Best, Adam,

Larry

Kenny Cole · #14 02-09-2016, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Insurance. It is the only profession that consists of promising to help someone when they need it then trying to find ways to weasel out of it entirely or at least cut down on the value of the help to be rendered when the other side comes calling. There isn't a single insurance claim I've handled in 25 years of representing insureds where the insurance company hasn't tried to screw the insured out of something, whether by outright wrongful denial of a claim or by using unrealistic estimating tools to try to cut down on the payout.

+2. Suing insurers for wrongfully denying the claims of their insureds is the only type of case my partners and I handle. If insurers treated their insureds honestly, we would be out of business. We are, however, always busy.

D.P.Johnson · #15 02-09-2016, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

I can't think of any other profession where you can be successful by screwing people, and not be doing something illegal. The entire profession isn't sleazy - just certain branches.

Porn???

nsaddict · #16 02-09-2016, 06:11 PM

I'm not understanding why a few have mentioned they don't know or remember what a specific item is in which they got shilled? Very easy to look up. Legendary's website> history>,month and year> and lot # .

Stonepony · #17 02-09-2016, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

Porn???

I'm done reading posts tonight because it can't get better. Freaking funny!!

Beastmode · #18 02-09-2016, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonepony

I'm done reading posts tonight because it can't get better. Freaking funny!!

begsu1013 · #19 02-09-2016, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

Porn???

::slow clap::

well played, sir.

well played.

Exhibitman · #20 02-09-2016, 10:21 PM

That's why I stopped doing insurance defense: I realized the best day ever for an insurer's appointed defense counsel is the day he beats a genuinely injured person out of a recovery.

Fred · #21 02-09-2016, 10:38 PM

Adam,

Do you mean insurance companies would try to screw the beneficiary out of a "death" benefit? I suppose there could be a few reasons for the insurance company to try to fight it but in most cases, people just die and the policy was written and paid for to cover just that.

Kenny Cole · #22 02-09-2016, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred

Adam,

Do you mean insurance companies would try to screw the beneficiary out of a "death" benefit? I suppose there could be a few reasons for the insurance company to try to fight it but in most cases, people just die and the policy was written and paid for to cover just that.

Uh, yes. I realize that this question was directed to Adam, but I have two of those cases right now. I'm going to trial in one of them in a couple of months. The one I'm going to trial on was an accidental death policy (never get one, they do their utmost to cover nothing) where an 83 year old woman choked on food at a nursing home, aspirated it, and died within a 12 hours of aspiration pneumonitis -- an acute lung infection you can get when you suck food into your lungs. According to them, it wasn't accidental although they really can't explain why that isn't an accident. I mean, she obviously didn't intend to suck food down the wrong pipe and kill herself.

In the second one, the carrier paid the wrong beneficiary after receiving notice that he was the wrong beneficiary. Best as I can tell, the defense is that since they paid the policy benefits, albeit to a person they know wasn't the person designated to get them, they're off the hook. So the answer is yes, they will sometimes do that.

WhenItWasAHobby · #23 02-10-2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Uh, yes. I realize that this question was directed to Adam, but I have two of those cases right now. I'm going to trial in one of them in a couple of months. The one I'm going to trial on was an accidental death policy (never get one, they do their utmost to cover nothing) where an 83 year old woman choked on food at a nursing home, aspirated it, and died within a 12 hours of aspiration pneumonitis -- an acute lung infection you can get when you suck food into your lungs. According to them, it wasn't accidental although they really can't explain why that isn't an accident. I mean, she obviously didn't intend to suck food down the wrong pipe and kill herself.

In the second one, the carrier paid the wrong beneficiary after receiving notice that he was the wrong beneficiary. Best as I can tell, the defense is that since they paid the policy benefits, albeit to a person they know wasn't the person designated to get them, they're off the hook. So the answer is yes, they will sometimes do that.

I see this thread has morphed into "bad lawyers" and "bad insurance companies" complaints and I can say from my personal experience the two topics are inseparable. I talked to several attorneys about three years ago who said in confidence that in their opinion, "the insurance industry is now the new organized crime of the 21st century". The planned and calculated bad faith tactics of many of the major insurance carriers is well documented and a great deal of it has to do with lawyers being complicit participants in attempting or successfully fleecing policyholders out of money clearly owed to them.

Griffins · #24 02-10-2016, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

In the second one, the carrier paid the wrong beneficiary after receiving notice that he was the wrong beneficiary. Best as I can tell, the defense is that since they paid the policy benefits, albeit to a person they know wasn't the person designated to get them, they're off the hook. So the answer is yes, they will sometimes do that.

This happened to my wife with her grandmother. She got hosed on the claim.
I'm sure this isn't uncommon, unfortunately.

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