the list (of criminals) is revealed

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by botn

Or at least until people like Kenny Goldin, JC Clarke, Dave Forman, Pete Calderone and others who are members here or represent advertisers make a post explaining the inclusion of their names on the list.

Or everybody here just agrees not to do business with those who aren't willing to justify their actions ...

[Shoebox]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Or everybody here just agrees not to do business with those who aren't willing to justify their actions ...

It doesn't seem like that is occurring in the case of Goldin Auctions.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Shoebox

It doesn't seem like that is occurring in the case of Goldin Auctions.

'Stuff' trumps morals.

As I stated earlier in this thread (and other threads too), I refuse to buy from Probstein because he allows shilling in his auctions. If everybody took that stance, it would drive these people out of business. But I don't see that happening. Funny, but I bet some of those that complain about shilling the most will still continue to do business with these folks.

[brob28]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

'Stuff' trumps morals.

As I stated earlier in this thread (and other threads too), I refuse to buy from Probstein because he allows shilling in his auctions. If everybody took that stance, it would drive these people out of business. But I don't see that happening. Funny, but I bet some of those that complain about shilling the most will still continue to do business with these folks.

Sadly, I'm sure you're right David.

[vintagetoppsguy]

We should have a thread with a commitment not to do business with those whose names are associated with shill bidding, and by posting your name in the thread, you are agreeing to that. I wonder how many people would post their name (basically 'signing' the agreement) and commit to that?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

We should have a thread with a commitment not to do business with those whose names are associated with shill bidding, and by posting your name in the thread, you are agreeing to that. I wonder how many people would post their name (basically 'signing' the agreement) and commit to that?

Not many. Stuff trumps all has always been the mantra of this hobby. You might have a better shot at getting people to not to consign with those associated with the list. There are plenty of really good auction houses in the hobby to consign your stuff to.

[Brian Van Horn]

I wonder if this thread will reach 1,000 posts. No shilling please.

[mechanicalman]

Refusing to buy or to bid from these dudes, while it might seem morally sound, might have unintended consequences. If folks thought that other buyers are holding out, then the potential for lower prices might actually create more interest in these auctions. The real pain would be refusing to consign to these guys. I would sign up for that list.

[timn1]

I will not bid on any Goldin items - too many red flags in its history for me, and too many other places to spend my money.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

We should have a thread with a commitment not to do business with those whose names are associated with shill bidding, and by posting your name in the thread, you are agreeing to that. I wonder how many people would post their name (basically 'signing' the agreement) and commit to that?

Might be as short as the list of folks who came on to explain why their name was on the original list. It's been this way for years, people complain but at the end of the day the transgressions aren't enough for most to do without the cardboard crack. That's why not many feel compelled to explain themselves, why would they when at the end of the day to many it doesn't matter. You get what you are willing to put up with.

[slidekellyslide]

When even the loudest Mastro/Legendary detractor was still bidding in their auction all the way to the end you have to think that the only way to really hurt these guys is to stop consigning with them.