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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Peter, I told you recently that slabs and flips make they're way out the back door at PSA. People think I'm crazy, don't believe me or just want to bury their head in the sand and pretend it doesn't happen.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=218799
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OK, whatever. Don't believe it. I don't care. But look at his other thread in the BST section at the fake '52 Mantle. It has one of the newer flips with the PSA hologram. Real slab. Real flip. Fake card. Y'all keep drinking that PSA Kool Aid.

What's your evidence that this happens David? Some anonymous guy claiming some unnamed AH told him isn't exactly proof.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's your evidence that this happens David? Some anonymous guy claiming some unnamed AH told him isn't exactly proof.

Peter, the evidence is fake (or altered) cards showing up in real PSA slabs with real PSA flips. And its not a matter of the cards being switched out cards because the slabs havent been compromised.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Peter, the evidence is fake (or altered) cards showing up in real PSA slabs with real PSA flips. And its not a matter of the cards being switched out cards because the slabs havent been compromised.

Assuming you are right about them not being compromised, how do you know they aren't having their own fabricated? This doesn't strike me as high technology, it's a piece of cheap plastic.

[Peter_Spaeth]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Assuming you are right about them not being compromised, how do you know they aren't having their own fabricated? This doesn't strike me as high technology, it's a piece of cheap plastic.

I think its highly unlikely that someone is fabricating fake slabs AND flips. Some of these cards have the new flip with the new hologram.

Again I ask, why arent these fake cards turning up in SGC slabs? Sure, PSA outsells SGC, but a fake '52 Mantle even in an SGC slab would bring decent money.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Assuming you are right about them not being compromised, how do you know they aren't having their own fabricated? This doesn't strike me as high technology, it's a piece of cheap plastic.

+1 I would guess that fabricating counterfeit slabs would be a simple task for those so inclined.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

+1 I would guess that fabricating counterfeit slabs would be a simple task for those so inclined.

How simple would it be to send one of the fake cards to PSA and have them confirm whether or not it was their slab and/or flip? Thats why PSA is silent on this.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

How simple would it be to send one of the fake cards to PSA and have them confirm whether or not it was their slab and/or flip? Thats why PSA is silent on this.

I don't know David, but that's a step in the buying/ collecting process I'd just as soon not have to pursue. I just hope it gets figured out. I would hope this is a top priority with PSA because if your consumers begin to question the legitimacy of your product , there most certainly will be some repercussions.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

I don't know David

Yes, you do know, but you don't want to think about the reality of it. PSA could confirm rather quickly if it was their slab and/or flip. They've been silent on that aspect of it, talking about everything else. Surely PSA has seen these (in their possession) fake cards already. So why not come out and say whether or not its theirs, or being counterfeited/reproduced elsewhere?

Lets just say for a minute that PSA caught someone red handed stealing slabs and flips out the back door? Two questions for you?

(1) As a PSA collector, would you want to know about it?
(2) Do you think PSA would publicly announce that?