Roy hallady r.i.p

[Orioles1954]

Rick Reuschel better than Jim Palmer and Nolan Ryan?! I think I'll stick with Baseball Reference.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

Rick Reuschel better than Jim Palmer and Nolan Ryan?! I think I'll stick with Baseball Reference.

Funny, that's exactly where I got my data.

[Orioles1954]

Always a tragedy to lose someone so young. A true throwback.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

I just crunched my numbers from Baseball Reference and I conclude that Bob Forsch is the greatest pitcher of all-time.

Makes sense. I get Walter Johnson.

[timn1]

Halladay W/L +98 (Playing for slightly above average teams over his career) -

do you know how hard it is to do that? Seaver was at +106 with a hundred more wins and a hundred more losses. Palmer at +116 with mostly great teams.


Comparisons w recent HOFers:
Blyleven +37
Smoltz +58
Glavine +102
Pedro +119
Maddux +128
The Big Unit +137

Ryan +32 - to me that is all you need to know in order to rank Ryan.

[darwinbulldog]

I came here to praise Roy Halladay, not to bury Nolan Ryan, but I think when people just look at the strikeouts and no-hitters and can't figure out why anyone would say Ryan was not one of the greatest pitchers of all-time, they aren't considering that getting out is the modal/default outcome when a batter steps up to the plate, so issuing a walk is a very bad thing for a pitcher to do (case in point, the 2017 World Series) but striking a batter out is only a moderately good thing to do (if your goal is to win games).

[rats60]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

I came here to praise Roy Halladay, not to bury Nolan Ryan, but I think when people just look at the strikeouts and no-hitters and can't figure out why anyone would say Ryan was not one of the greatest pitchers of all-time, they aren't considering that getting out is the modal/default outcome when a batter steps up to the plate, so issuing a walk is a very bad thing for a pitcher to do (case in point, the 2017 World Series) but striking a batter out is only a moderately good thing to do (if your goal is to win games).

We must not have been watching the same World Series. I never knew that Clayton Kershaw walking Marwin Gonzalez and Evan Gattis to get to a weaker hitter and the third out was a bad thing. I watch a lot of Baseball and I see pitchers pitch around good hitters or walk guys to set up a double play all the time. That is how I was taught to play the game, who knew we were all wrong?

I always thought the pitcher's job was to prevent runs. Isn't the winner of the game the one that scores the most runs and not the one that gets the most base runners. Nolan Ryan had a career ERA of 3.19 over 5386 innings. I don't see how anyone could rate another pitcher above him when they have a much higher ERA in a lot fewer innings.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

Rick Reuschel better than Jim Palmer and Nolan Ryan?! I think I'll stick with Baseball Reference.

That was one of the most surprising things I found, but the algorithm works too well for me to throw it out in favor of my intuition. The important thing to remember is this analogy.

K:Nolan Ryan::BB: ___________

The answer is Nolan Ryan.