Morris & Trammell Elected to HOF

Peter_Spaeth · #1 12-11-2017, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SAllen2556

According to Reggie Jackson on whether Bert Blyleven should have been elected into the Hall of Fame: �No. No, no, no, no. Blyleven wasn�t even the dominant pitcher of his era, it was Jack Morris.�

Good enough for me. I think.

Blyleven's ERA was 60 points lower.

btcarfagno · #2 12-11-2017, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Blyleven's ERA was 60 points lower.

But Chuck Tanner didn't like him and while he didn't get the start in game 5 of the 1979 series, he did get the win in the game throwing four shutout innings, entering the game in the top of the sixth with the Pirates trailing 1-0. Yeah. Tanner had no faith in that guy.

Oh. And Morris pitched a good game in the World Series once. He was crap when called upon the following year. But that's not the narrative here.

Oh. To the above list I posted of players during and since Morris that were better than him, also alongside David Wells as being at least his equal, add Bob Welch as well.

rats60 · #3 12-11-2017, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by btcarfagno

But Chuck Tanner didn't like him and while he didn't get the start in game 5 of the 1979 series, he did get the win in the game throwing four shutout innings, entering the game in the top of the sixth with the Pirates trailing 1-0. Yeah. Tanner had no faith in that guy.

Oh. And Morris pitched a good game in the World Series once. He was crap when called upon the following year. But that's not the narrative here.

Oh. To the above list I posted of players during and since Morris that were better than him, also alongside David Wells as being at least his equal, add Bob Welch as well.

10>4 and Blyleven got the win because the Pirstes scored 7 runs in innings 6 to 8.

btcarfagno · #4 12-11-2017, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

10>4 and Blyleven got the win because the Pirstes scored 7 runs in innings 6 to 8.

I have no idea what 10>4 means. If it has something to do with Morris somehow being better than Blyleven, or even close to his equal, I'm sorry but that's laughable. Chuck Tanner or no Chuck Tanner.

Please tell me why Jack Morris is in the Hall and David Wells isn't? They are pretty much the same pitcher.

Bob Welch?
Frank Tanana?
Rick Reuschel?
Dave Stieb?

All career contemporaries who were better than Morris.

David Cone?
Bret Saberhagen?
Kevin Brown?
Dwight Gooden?
Jimmy Key?

All better than Jack Morris.

Morris had a lot of wins playing for better than .500 teams in all but two years of his career. He was a product of the teams he played for in terms of his number of wins. What else did he do well?

sycks22 · #5 12-11-2017, 12:23 PM

I think Morris got an extra bump based on his terrific moustache.

DixieBaseball · #6 12-15-2017, 10:57 AM

I am good with Morris getting in.... He had longevity at a high level with respect to his peer group in his era.

Multiple year All-Star Pitcher with 175 Complete Games (WOW!), Three 20 Win Seasons, Over 250 Wins, 4 World Series Pitched in, and 1 World Series MVP (10 Shutout innings in Game 7).

Pretty stellar to me. The 175 CG is incredible.

darwinbulldog · #7 12-15-2017, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DixieBaseball

Pretty stellar to me. The 175 CG is incredible.

Good enough for 180th place on the career leaders list. Zowie!

Orioles1954 · #8 12-11-2017, 12:23 PM

Lou Whitaker was better.

btcarfagno · #9 12-11-2017, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Orioles1954

Lou Whitaker was better.

This is also true. Sad, but true.

Chris-Counts · #10 12-11-2017, 01:11 PM

As hitters, the stats show Trammell and Whitaker aren't very different at all. But Trammell played shortstop, which is more important defensively, and a much harder position to fill with a good offensive bat than second base.

You simply can't effectively compare players without considering their defensive limitations — that only works in fantasy baseball. Steve Garvey could only play first base, a position filled with guys who hit as well or better than him. There are very few shortstops in the history of baseball who hit was well as Trammell.

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