OT: Hall of Fame - Edgar Martinez?

[bobbvc]

Baseball is a defensive game. It's the ONLY game where the defense controls the ball. Can't be a Hall of Famer when you don't play defense in a defensive game. In my opinion.

[BeanTown]

Big Congrats to the players that made it in the MLB HOF! They all deserved it! They will be joining Jack Morris and Alan Trammell thanks to the Modern era committee back in December. Edgar will be getting in next year, as it will be his last attempt to do so I think.

Chipper Jones 97.2%
Vladimir Guerrero 92.2%
Jim Thome 89.8%
Trevor Hoffman 79.9%

Minor league cards (which most are low pop) , are great to collect to! Penny stocks now which may become blue chips tomorrow!!

[rhettyeakley]

There is an even earlier Trevor Hoffman card, he is found in the 1988 University of Arizona baseball team set made by the Tucson police.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1988-Tucson...wAAOSwLmZZqNWe

[the 'stache]

Martinez is a Hall of Famer. Toss out his last season, when he was 41, and he's got a career 151 OPS +.

This article from Ryan Spaeder of The Sporting News makes the case quite well.

Here are some numbers to mull over:



And I thought this was pretty eye opening:

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Martinez is a Hall of Famer. Toss out his last season, when he was 41, and he's got a career 151 OPS +.

This article from Ryan Spaeder of The Sporting News makes the case quite well.

Here are some numbers to mull over:



And I thought this was pretty eye opening:

Nice Cherry-Picking, Bill.

When I look at just his stats, however, I see a DH with less than 2300 hits and only 309 HRs...in the time he played, IMO, that doesn't add up to HOF, just a tier and a tear below. Being in the top TWO Percent is still pretty damn good!

[Robextend]

I don't think Hoffman had a HOF worthy career, however when you look at Bruce Sutter being in, it's hard to argue. I personally thought Billy Wagner was the more dominant closer for quite a few years...just didn't accumulate the numbers that Hoffman did.

[btcarfagno]

When I look at Edgar Martinez stats, I see someone who, if he had been a shitty fielder, would likely deserve to be in the Hall Of Fame. My problem with potentially voting for him, however, is that, had he been forced to play in the field as well as hit over the years, his offensive stats would likely not have been as good as they were. Are his offensive stats so good that a bit of a dip in them would retain their Hall Of Fame worthiness? I'm not so sure.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Nice Cherry-Picking, Bill.

When I look at just his stats, however, I see a DH with less than 2300 hits and only 309 HRs...in the time he played, IMO, that doesn't add up to HOF, just a tier and a tear below. Being in the top TWO Percent is still pretty damn good!

People think cherry-picking is so bad, but I can point to several examples where it was no big deal.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Nice Cherry-Picking, Bill.

When I look at just his stats, however, I see a DH with less than 2300 hits and only 309 HRs...in the time he played, IMO, that doesn't add up to HOF, just a tier and a tear below. Being in the top TWO Percent is still pretty damn good!

He didn't really play a full season until he was 27, I wonder why. With a few more early years his career numbers would be a lot higher.

[SteveMitchell]

Bill Gregory posted some impressive names and their numbers (alongside Edgar's) and received a "cherry-picking" award; possibly other knocks, too, as I have not read much beyond Bill's post. When mentioning some of the all-time, all-time greats in the same breath as Edgar Martinez is considered "cherry-picking", I say: Pick away! Edgar has been criticized for being a DH. Let's just add that he had no speed, batted right-handed and hardly ever beat out a hit. I like the company in which Bill (and Edgar's stats) place him.

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Martinez is a Hall of Famer. Toss out his last season, when he was 41, and he's got a career 151 OPS +.

This article from Ryan Spaeder of The Sporting News makes the case quite well.

Here are some numbers to mull over:



And I thought this was pretty eye opening: