Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

bnorth · #1 05-29-2019, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Let's start with honoring their guaranty, more to follow on that note

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Come on Ted what is the problem, you have been beating around the bush about this subject for quite some time. Is the problem with a altered card that the alteration was not disclosed or was you silly enough to buy a autograph they authenticated.

Republicaninmass · #2 05-29-2019, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

Come on Ted what is the problem, you have been beating around the bush about this subject for quite some time. Is the problem with a altered card that the alteration was not disclosed or was you silly enough to buy a autograph they authenticated.

Lol, the latter. It was their response which bothered me most. Waiting for a final decision before crucifixion

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robkas68 · #3 05-29-2019, 06:48 AM

While my natural inclination is one of moderation, I have to admit it is pretty evident that we have a full-blown scandal. My question is how do we police ourselves going forward? Given that PSA and PWCC have roles in this scandal that fall somewhere between gross incompetence and indictment, it�s pretty clear they shouldn�t be writing the rules. Maybe it�s time that we form the trade association that polices itself and forms the rules of the road?

I think this scandal has shown that in the years since Mastro not much has changed. Even assuming that individuals in this scandal are brought to justice, if the controls in place do not change then we are just beginning the countdown to the next scandal.

Rob Kasenter

Peter_Spaeth · #4 05-29-2019, 07:15 AM

It's fine to talk about a trade association but who's going to do the actual work to put one together, draw up the charter, recruit collectors, convince dealers to join, get funding, etc.?

The other problem is we (not singling anyone out) as a group continue to do business with the bad actors, because we can't resist stuff, or money, or whatever. So there is effectively no private enforcement mechanism against bad behavior.

HRBAKER · #5 05-29-2019, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's fine to talk about a trade association but who's going to do the actual work to put one together, draw up the charter, recruit collectors, convince dealers to join, get funding, etc.?

The other problem is we (not singling anyone out) as a group continue to do business with the bad actors, because we can't resist stuff, or money, or whatever. So there is effectively no private enforcement mechanism against bad behavior.

There's the key. Our inability to say no. This is what they rely and trade on. Not really much different than a junkie in a lot of ways. Yeah, ok, make a chump outta me but I got the card I "needed."
It's going to take more than keyboard indignation to effect any change.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #6 05-29-2019, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HRBAKER

There's the key. Our inability to say no. This is what they rely and trade on. Not really much different than a junkie in a lot of ways. Yeah, ok, make a chump outta me but I got the card I "needed."
It's going to take more than keyboard indignation to effect any change.

Might be easier to say "no" when you have doubts about the "stuff"

HRBAKER · #7 05-29-2019, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Might be easier to say "no" when you have doubts about the "stuff"

Well you would think wouldn't you - the past would tell me not to look for much to change.

bnorth · #8 05-29-2019, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Might be easier to say "no" when you have doubts about the "stuff"

Unfortunately not true. Many people have said they do not care what has happened to the card as long as it is in the slab.

The PSA slab is magic don't you know. It increases the value and magically makes the card whatever the flip says it is.

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