Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[Exhibitman]

The answer is simple enough:

--Stop dealing with PWCC;
--Stop dealing with PSA;
--Cancel your VCP subscription.

And let the latter two know why.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The answer is simple enough:

--Stop dealing with PWCC;
--Stop dealing with PSA;
--Cancel your VCP subscription.

And let the latter two know why.

Adam you are asking a lot here.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The answer is simple enough:

--Stop dealing with PWCC;
--Stop dealing with PSA;
--Cancel your VCP subscription.

And let the latter two know why.

This. This. This.

But let's see who actually will. Like I said, we need to start a new thread with those willing to do this and sign their names to it - a pledge - and hold people accountable to their pledge. I'll sign it. Anybody else?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The answer is simple enough:

--Stop dealing with PWCC;
--Stop dealing with PSA;
--Cancel your VCP subscription.

And let the latter two know why.

This is getting ridiculous.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

It's amazing. The same evil sorcery that caused the bizarre purge of back scans from PWCC website after their "server crossover" has now struck poor VCP! What cruel priestess spins such a wicked spell on our beloved hobby stalwarts??? Why must such unexplainable disease burden the back scan??? Hath god spited the card number? Perhaps he tired of thou outdated statistics???

Who will be the next victim in this completely random PWCC pre-2015 back scan-only virus??? Quick! Everyone to their hard drives! There's no telling if you've been afflicted!

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger

It's amazing. The same evil sorcery that caused the bizarre purge of back scans from PWCC website after their "server crossover" has now struck poor VCP! What cruel priestess spins such a wicked spell on our beloved hobby stalwarts??? Why must such unexplainable disease burden the back scan??? Hath god spited the card number? Perhaps he tired of thou outdated statistics???

Who will be the next victim in this completely random PWCC pre-2015 back scan-only virus??? Quick! Everyone to their hard drives! There's no telling if you've been afflicted!

Seems to work fine..

[BLongley]

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...s-vault-option

This along with another forum on PSA is currently ongoing and PSA is letting it run its course as long as everyone stays civil. Todd Tobias who works at PSA did say that Sloan is gathering all information on PWCC and once he has details will be making some sort of announcement, but in short PSA is not ignoring this.

And here is another link to Collectors Universe Forum: https://forums.collectors.com/discus...ned-by-pwcc/p4

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by BLongley

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...s-vault-option

This along with another forum on PSA is currently ongoing and PSA is letting it run its course as long as everyone stays civil. Todd Tobias who works at PSA did say that Sloan is gathering all information on PWCC and once he has details will be making some sort of announcement, but in short PSA is not ignoring this.

And here is another link to Collectors Universe Forum: https://forums.collectors.com/discus...ned-by-pwcc/p4

My early prediction is that PSA finally breaks its silence by providing a "sacrificial lamb". A single (low-level) individual who gets fired for being linked to PWCC.

And then it's business as usual, and they all live happily ever after.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger

It's amazing. The same evil sorcery that caused the bizarre purge of back scans from PWCC website after their "server crossover" has now struck poor VCP! What cruel priestess spins such a wicked spell on our beloved hobby stalwarts??? Why must such unexplainable disease burden the back scan??? Hath god spited the card number? Perhaps he tired of thou outdated statistics???

Who will be the next victim in this completely random PWCC pre-2015 back scan-only virus??? Quick! Everyone to their hard drives! There's no telling if you've been afflicted!

You realize they don't host these images? They are on other sites. They have no control over whether or not they appear. At least that's how I understand it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The answer is simple enough:

--Stop dealing with PWCC;
--Stop dealing with PSA;
--Cancel your VCP subscription.

And let the latter two know why.

I have been avoiding PWCC for many years and just use PSA for cards I want to sell for way more than I could get any other way.

That is silly to put Bobby/VCP in that group for now. Has it been proven he actually done anything.

Adding Bobby would be like you not visiting this site because PWCC is the largest advertiser here.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The answer is simple enough:

--Stop dealing with PWCC;
--Stop dealing with PSA;
--Cancel your VCP subscription.

And let the latter two know why.

I support this sentiment. I certainly won't be bidding on any more PWCC listings and I won't be buying any more PSA or BGS (let's not forget BGS has a huge part in this too) graded items. I guess I'll have to wait for a real TPG competitor to arrive and have my PC stuff regraded someday. Hopefully none are altered, but that's now unlikely. I don't have a VCP sub, but I wouldn't do any business with anyone with ties to this situation (I don't have business interactions with Leon, so don't even try it), especially after seeing the proprietor's deflection attempts. Playing dumb doesn't work. You know darn well what's happening within your own business, down to every little detail.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

I support this sentiment. I certainly won't be bidding on any more PWCC listings and I won't be buying any more PSA or BGS (let's not forget BGS has a huge part in this too) graded items. I guess I'll have to wait for a real TPG competitor to arrive and have my PC stuff regraded someday. Hopefully none are altered, but that's now unlikely. I don't have a VCP sub, but I wouldn't do any business with anyone with ties to this situation (I don't have business interactions with Leon, so don't even try it), especially after seeing the proprietor's deflection attempts. Playing dumb doesn't work. You know darn well what's happening within your own business, down to every little detail.

This is just about the part I made bold. This may seem strange to some but I have no problem with Leon taking Brents $ for advertising. Seriously do you stop watching a channel on TV because they aired a commercial you don't like. I may not like the advertisement but I sure as hell like the channel/forum or I wouldn't be here.

He is letting all this go down on HIS forum, gotta respect him for that.

Someone might want to quote this for posterity.

[Tennis13]

So do people thing SGC is in the clear here, or is this story still unfolding and it could move to them as well?

I have mostly always bought SGC vintage and got my Ruth’s at SGc even though they traded at a discount to PSA because I always feel like PSA is a bomb ready to explode.

Do people think that the PSA premium may now go away and SGc may trade at a premium? Just curious.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Tennis13

So do people thing SGC is in the clear here, or is this story still unfolding and it could move to them as well?

I have mostly always bought SGC vintage and got my Ruth’s at SGc even though they traded at a discount to PSA because I always feel like PSA is a bomb ready to explode.

Do people think that the PSA premium may now go away and SGc may trade at a premium? Just curious.

I have long felt that SGC was better at detecting trimming and alterations, but like I suggested above, I haven't had much experience submitting hordes of raw T206s to them in 4 or 5 years.

Having said that, I may be going "paleo" with my collecting, avoiding grading altogether until someone designs a grading system that addresses the myriad problems we're seeing today.

[perezfan]

NM

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I have long felt that SGC was better at detecting trimming and alterations, but like I suggested above, I haven't had much experience submitting hordes of raw T206s to them in 4 or 5 years.

Having said that, I may be going "paleo" with my collecting, avoiding grading altogether until someone designs a grading system that addresses the myriad problems we're seeing today.

Paleo diet for me as well....

While it is an opportune window for SGC, I would REALLY love to see RAW trade at a premium. May never happen... but who better than us, to determine what looks best. Without "preferred" clients, severe time constraints and hoards of cards to sift through, most of us can blow the doors off those guys anyway!

[pokerplyr80]

So some of the old listings that vcp basically links to supposedly had back scans deleted, and now the mob wants to throw vcp into the fire with pwcc, but not PSA. I don't see any evidence Bobby or VCP did anything wrong. Calls to cancel vcp subscriptions seem ridiculous to me.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

So some of the old listings that vcp basically links to supposedly had back scans deleted, and now the mob wants to throw vcp into the fire with pwcc, but not PSA. I don't see any evidence Bobby or VCP did anything wrong. Calls to cancel vcp subscriptions seem ridiculous to me.

Are you being serious?

[BobbyVCP]

Again for the 3rd time....
We did not remove or delete any images.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

Are you being serious?

Yes. It seems to me the issue is with PSA. If they're letting trimmed cards through, let's focus our efforts on determining why or how this is happening. That would be my suggestion. But from what I've read most aren't holding them accountable. Let's boycott pwcc, stop accepting their advertising money, but keep using PSA. Absurd.

And Bobby yes I realize that. My post was calling into question those calling for net54 members to cancel their subscriptions to your service. You explained how your site works. I am not tech savvy enough to understand it completely but as I do understand it if any scans were deleted it would have been because Ebay or someone else had them removed. And I don't even see evidence that happened.

[trambo]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

So some of the old listings that vcp basically links to supposedly had back scans deleted, and now the mob wants to throw vcp into the fire with pwcc, but not PSA. I don't see any evidence Bobby or VCP did anything wrong. Calls to cancel vcp subscriptions seem ridiculous to me.

Agree w/you! Not everything is a conspiracy. I appreciate Bobby of VCP being on this board and explaining what happened to him and his business. I could be a fool later but the responses make sense to me! No reason to cancel anything except a PWCC bid at this point!

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by trambo

Agree w/you! Not everything is a conspiracy. I appreciate Bobby of VCP being on this board and explaining what happened to him and his business. I could be a fool later but the responses make sense to me! No reason to cancel anything except a PWCC bid at this point!

Troy, I wouldn’t go so far to call you a fool, but let’s see how you feel when Bobby and VCP are proven not to be telling the truth. I just feel badly Bobby allowed himself to unnecessarily become apart of this but I will have to assume his relationship with Brent trumped common sense.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

I support this sentiment. I certainly won't be bidding on any more PWCC listings and I won't be buying any more PSA or BGS (let's not forget BGS has a huge part in this too) graded items. I guess I'll have to wait for a real TPG competitor to arrive and have my PC stuff regraded someday. Hopefully none are altered, but that's now unlikely. I don't have a VCP sub, but I wouldn't do any business with anyone with ties to this situation (I don't have business interactions with Leon, so don't even try it), especially after seeing the proprietor's deflection attempts. Playing dumb doesn't work. You know darn well what's happening within your own business, down to every little detail.

you my friends are absolutely correct. I won't be bidding on any baseball cards PERIOD

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

you my friends are absolutely correct. I won't be bidding on any baseball cards PERIOD

Will you be refraining from posting here?

[CMIZ5290]

Meanwhile......Brent and R.P. are laughing all the way to the bank...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Meanwhile......Brent and R.P. are laughing all the way to the bank...

For now. So too were Bill and Doug, I suspect.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

For now. So too were Bill and Doug, I suspect.

With the slap on the wrist Bill got I bet he is still laughing, I know I would be.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Meanwhile......Brent and R.P. are laughing all the way to the bank...

No one is laughing.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by calvindog

No one is laughing.

I'm laughing.

I find this entire thread incredibly funny.

The people who get paid for their opinions are just going to slide down in their cellar and wait for the storm to blow over, then back to business as usual.

Doug "everybody gets exactly what they pay for" Goodman

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Will you be refraining from posting here?

Unfortunately, not

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Unfortunately, not

lol

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