Industry participants' response to scandal so far -- report card

bnorth · #1 06-23-2019, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnP0621

Check out the other thread that's going on about
SGC crossing over PSA cards and bumping them a few grades and than tell me how clean they are (Cracker Jack Joe Jackson from PSA 2 to SGC 5 after altering )T206 Cobb etc. Just Saying !

John P

So what is the PSA to SGC ratio on bad cards about 2000 to 1?

Peter_Spaeth · #2 06-23-2019, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

So what is the PSA to SGC ratio on bad cards about 2000 to 1?

Probably the same ratio in which they were submitted.

darwinbulldog · #3 06-23-2019, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Probably the same ratio in which they were submitted.

I'm also guessing it's pretty close to that.

JohnP0621 · #4 06-23-2019, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

So what is the PSA to SGC ratio on bad cards about 2000 to 1?

Don't know the Ratio but SGC is not So Clean in all of this mess.Also the Ratio of fake autos that SGC Authenticated is pretty high.
I was only responded to the poster that said SGC was Clean.i Believe they are not .

bnorth · #5 06-23-2019, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnP0621

Don't know the Ratio but SGC is not So Clean in all of this mess.Also the Ratio of fake autos that SGC Authenticated is pretty high.
I was only responded to the poster that said SGC was Clean.i Believe they are not .

I talk as much smack as everyone but Ted on how completely incompetent SGC was on autographs.

I wasn't trying to single you out, your post just fit my reply(agenda

) about how PSA is WAY worse on grading cards. Seems to me a some are a little too happy to see the few(so far) bad SGC cards show up.

JohnP0621 · #6 06-23-2019, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I talk as much smack as everyone but Ted on how completely incompetent SGC was on autographs.

I wasn't trying to single you out, your post just fit my reply(agenda

) about how PSA is WAY worse on grading cards. Seems to me a some are a little too happy to see the few(so far) bad SGC cards show up.

Believe me I am not happy about any of this. SGC ,PSA, Beckett etc . Just calling it like it is .

Kenny Cole · #7 06-23-2019, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I talk as much smack as everyone but Ted on how completely incompetent SGC was on autographs.

I wasn't trying to single you out, your post just fit my reply(agenda

) about how PSA is WAY worse on grading cards. Seems to me a some are a little too happy to see the few(so far) bad SGC cards show up.

In my estimation, no one should be "happy" that any of the TPGers are as bad at their jobs as the cards outed seem to indicate they are. Disappointed? Yes. Outraged? Maybe, Feel like their trust was betrayed and that they absolutely didn't get what they were promised? OK. People and companies are going to make mistakes. That's inevitable. Its how they respond that matters IMO. That's where the rubber meets the road. Thus far, I have seen nothing that gives me any assurance whatsoever that any of the TPGers are willing to step up and clean up their mess. I guess time will tell, but I am sure not holding my breath.

BTW, when I say "mistake," I am not including PWCC. Mistake implies an accident. As best as I can tell, what PWCC did was not accidental. I sincerely hope that PWCC goes down in flames and that its principals spend time in prison.

Republicaninmass · #8 06-23-2019, 02:40 PM

Thanks Ben! Trying to insult them the best I know how.

I'm not sure what they have done with the other owners of the forged cards. My guess is the auction house reimbursed them, and SGC told the auction houses to go to the FBI, or caved due to the business they send.

AddieJoss · #9 06-23-2019, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I hear you. But without an NDA recipients coukd happily and publicly announce their good fortune at receiving refunds. And the first refund sent out by PWCC or Beckett oe PSA is one more than Mastro et al. ever paid out, even as sentencing was upon them and they had a reason to try to look good for the judge. Every dollar paid by the Mastro gang and their coconspirators had to be dragged out of them via civil litigation or a threat to sue.

I�m not sure about everyone else. I received 8k refund from pwcc. It even covers my initial shipping charges. The OP is rating the �response� only? That is a good response from my perspective. Not glad it happened but glad to get 8k for the cards. I was not asked ever about a Signing a non disclosure or anything of the like.

Cory Weiser

HercDriver · #10 06-23-2019, 02:52 PM

Where's VCP's grade? I sort of quit following the posts due to work and life getting in the way. The initial posts all wanted to fry Bobby, but I thought that was jumping the gun a bit. I haven't seen anything else about that lately, so I'm assuming he's cleared? And apologies issued publicly by those that wanted to skewer him? Maybe I'll get a beer and try to catch up...

Cheers,
Geno

vintagetoppsguy · #11 06-23-2019, 02:56 PM

This talk about SGC authention is ridiculous. How did we go from card doctoring to autograph authentication? But ok, I'll play too. Fine, SGC authenticators are incompetent. But the one thing I can say is at least the "autographs" were wet ink. But how STUPID do you have to be to authenticate a fascimilie autograph?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...highlight=Cobb

Republicaninmass · #12 06-23-2019, 03:04 PM

Maybe because it's a response to their "guarantee" which guarantees nothing?

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Peter_Spaeth · #13 06-23-2019, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

This talk about SGC authention is ridiculous. How did we go from card doctoring to autograph authentication? But ok, I'll play too. Fine, SGC authenticators are incompetent. But the one thing I can say is at least the "autographs" were wet ink. But how STUPID do you have to be to authenticate a fascimilie autograph?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...highlight=Cobb

I remember reading where Spence authenticated a facsimile Churchill autograph on a form letter.

vintagetoppsguy · #14 06-23-2019, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I remember reading where Spence authenticated a facsimile Churchill autograph on a form letter.

I'd never heard that, but I wouldn't be surprised. I trust some on this board way more than any TPG.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #15 06-23-2019, 03:36 PM

I try not to puff up my friends, and we're hijacking a little. But I gotta say if you haven't worked with Mike Root who started CAS. You are missing out. Not only does he do a great job, but he's willing to take time to explain things. He's not hoarding his knowledge some some weird cult. He gladly tells you what he's looking for if you have questions. He's also happy to call on other's expertise instead of just taking a guess. He's got some great guys on his side.

My favorite story is a collection I was bringing to auction. The collection was amassed in two ways. The owner had serious health issues and was bedridden as a fairly young man for almost two years. He did THOUSANDS of TTM requests. When his health started to come around he started getting things done in person.

Without any sorting, or explanation Mike went through the collection and literally rejected only TTM pieces. Out of the hundreds of in person autographs not one failed. It's not necessarily that he's perfect, who is? But I was mightily impressed.

Peter_Spaeth · #16 06-24-2019, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'd never heard that, but I wouldn't be surprised. I trust some on this board way more than any TPG.

Leon prefers no links to this site but here is the description.

39. The REA-Winston Churchill JSA-Authenticated Facsimile Letter-

This facsimile letter sent out by Winston Churchill was authenticated by JSA as an authentic handwritten document by the British Prime Minister. JSA noted the pen pressure and other characteristics they examined which revealed the document was genuine. But the document was a mass-produced facsimile sent out to many recipients and exhibited no evidience of ink or pen ever being applied to the paper. The bogus offering was later pulled from REA�s Spring 2013 sale after JSA�s blunder was exposed.

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