Hey, pennant guys

Domer05 · #1 11-02-2019, 02:46 PM

I just picked this pennant up. I'm curious if any of you PCL experts can weigh-in as to whether this may be an Oakland Oaks (or, Acorns, as they were also known as) PCL pennant; or, just a generic city of Oakland, California souvenir pennant?

The tag reads "Newman Mfg. Co. / 883 Market St. / San Francisco ". I did some research on this manufacturer and found a listing for them in a 1922 San Francisco Chamber of Commerce directory; albeit, at a different address located just around the corner.

The pennant is a standard full size at 30" in length--so, it's not oversized like many from the early part of the century. But it is entirely sewn letter; and the style of the manufacturer's logo is very consistent with those from the turn of the century. I would therefore guess this pennant came from the 1910s.

I'm also aware that the San Francisco Seals and the Oaks/Acorns were owned by the same owner back in those days; and, as a result, played many of their home games in San Francisco at Recreation Park as early as 1907. They played there off and on through the early 1920s, in fact.

So, if this is an Oaks/Acorns pennant, that might explain why it was made by a San Francisco manufacturer.

I think their team colors were also blue/white back in the 1910s, but I haven't been able to confirm that.

Anyway, penny for your thoughts?

bocca001 · #2 11-02-2019, 04:47 PM

Found this Oilers pennant today at an antique mall. I'd never seen it before. The older looking helmet makes me think that it is from the early days of the Oilers.

Fballguy · #3 11-02-2019, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001

Found this Oilers pennant today at an antique mall. I'd never seen it before. The older looking helmet makes me think that it is from the early days of the Oilers.

Oh man...Extremely jealous. Great score. Never saw that before. I've looked in several antique malls around Houston hoping for that kind of find. No such luck.

Very cool Marc!

bocca001 · #4 11-02-2019, 06:03 PM

I got the pennant and this other stuff at the Caroyln Thompson antique mall. A decent amount of sports stuff there for a mall (sorry for the non-pennant content... but there are cheerleaders).

Fballguy · #5 11-02-2019, 06:42 PM

Love the snake venom cola can. That's 35 minutes from my house. I was at the Whole Foods about 5 minutes from there earlier today. Never been to the mall.

bocca001 · #6 11-02-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

Love the snake venom cola can. That's 35 minutes from my house. I was at the Whole Foods about 5 minutes from there earlier today. Never been to the mall.

Well... there is less Oilers stuff there now.

Fballguy · #7 11-02-2019, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001

Well... there is less Oilers stuff there now.

Is it soft or stiff (that's what she said).

The Oilers pennant...

perezfan · #8 11-02-2019, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001

Found this Oilers pennant today at an antique mall. I'd never seen it before. The older looking helmet makes me think that it is from the early days of the Oilers.

That is so sweet! Gotta be one of their very first pennants (if not the first).

bocca001 · #9 11-02-2019, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

That is so sweet! Gotta be one of their very first pennants (if not the first).

Thanks! I was excited to see it and to be able to get it for a reasonable price. Older NFL pennants (at least 49ers and Oliers) have been selling for (what seem to me) very strong prices lately and I've been an underbidder on several lately.

ooo-ribay · #10 11-02-2019, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bocca001

Found this Oilers pennant today at an antique mall. I'd never seen it before. The older looking helmet makes me think that it is from the early days of the Oilers.

I�m not a football guy, but that seems like a very unusual pennant. Nice find!

ooo-ribay · #11 11-03-2019, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

I just picked this pennant up. I'm curious if any of you PCL experts can weigh-in as to whether this may be an Oakland Oaks (or, Acorns, as they were also known as) PCL pennant; or, just a generic city of Oakland, California souvenir pennant?

The tag reads "Newman Mfg. Co. / 883 Market St. / San Francisco ". I did some research on this manufacturer and found a listing for them in a 1922 San Francisco Chamber of Commerce directory; albeit, at a different address located just around the corner.

The pennant is a standard full size at 30" in length--so, it's not oversized like many from the early part of the century. But it is entirely sewn letter; and the style of the manufacturer's logo is very consistent with those from the turn of the century. I would therefore guess this pennant came from the 1910s.

I'm also aware that the San Francisco Seals and the Oaks/Acorns were owned by the same owner back in those days; and, as a result, played many of their home games in San Francisco at Recreation Park as early as 1907. They played there off and on through the early 1920s, in fact.

So, if this is an Oaks/Acorns pennant, that might explain why it was made by a San Francisco manufacturer.

I think their team colors were also blue/white back in the 1910s, but I haven't been able to confirm that.

Anyway, penny for your thoughts?

Here's my 2 cents for your penny...

I love that pennant and especially since it's labeled. 99% of my pennants are not labeled. Unfortunately, I don't think it's an Oaks pennants. My quickie research shows the early Oaks used a color scheme of green and yellow (like the Modern A's) with a bit of red in their "insignias". It wasn't until the 1950s (maybe 1940s) that they went to red and blue on white unis. I could definitely be wrong on this, though...

Domer05 · #12 11-07-2019, 10:38 AM

I appreciate your two cents!

I can't dispute anything you said. I myself am skeptical of these crossover travel/baseball pennants from the early part of the century. It is highly unusual to find sewn letter pennants like mine from that era used for anything other than collegiate, travel, or advertising purposes. Professional baseball? Not so much....

I still don't know about the Oaks' uniform colors from that era. I think their colors--much like their team name and ballpark location--changed frequently during that era. Finding a color picture of their uniform from then isn't easy either. They could have been green/yellow in 1916; then blue/white in 1917. Nothing was consistent back in those days.

A few years ago a follower of this thread posted the below Oaks pennants from the same era we're talking about. It's a stunner! So good, I'm gonna re-post it in all its glory below.

Note that the uniform depicted is blue/white, much like my pennant believed to be from the same era....

So, who knows for certain, right? Certainty in this hobby isn't common either, is it?

Fballguy · #13 11-07-2019, 01:17 PM

Hardly conclusive but adding to the intrigue...This from a 2014 Ebay auction:

Rare c. 1913 felt pennant from the Oakland Oaks Baseball Team. Measures a 29 inches across and condition is VERY nice. From the collection of a 1908-1915 Minor League Baseball Player from the era and I have a couple other pennants including an Centralia pennant and a pictoral Aberdeen Washington pennant as well! There are no specific markings identifying it as baseball but most pennants of the era were like this. Considering the collection it came from I have NO doubt this was used by a baseball fan to root on the Oakland Oaks, especially since dark blue and white were the Oaks colors as well!

Fballguy · #14 11-07-2019, 01:24 PM

One other note...It's interesting that the Oakland Oaks baseball team and the Oakland Oaks basketball team used the same mascot. This guys:

Domer05 · #15 11-09-2019, 10:09 AM

As best I can tell, the Oaks did sport a blue/white uniform by ca. 1912. There's a few different tobacco cards from that era that depict such a uniform. See below.

By the latter portion of the decade, the Oaks used a different uniform than the one below. I wondered if this one perhaps was the early green/yellow one they may have also worn? Then I found this 1918 movie footage of the Oaks and their opening day festivities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u-uQBv7H1Y

Obviously, this footage has been colorized. But, however they colorize these old movies ... they made these uniforms blue/white, too.

So, who knows?

It's a cool movie clip either way and that first uniform is totally sweet.

Tigerden · #16 11-10-2019, 10:18 AM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-VINTAG...d&LH_Auction=1

Who are the suckers paying high dollar for non period pennants? There is also a vintage "1946" Red Sox pennant currently for sale. I guess because these were produced many years ago, I think mid-late 70's, the vintage label isn't being deceptive. However claiming vintage and leaving out the date of manufacture its aim is to take advantage of the novice collector.

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