Negro Leagues Recognized As Major

trdcrdkid · #1 12-19-2020, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Gibby, who of course came along a whole decade later, related some stories about how he was excluded from meetings discussing how to pitch to the opposing team's lineup by Solly Hemus and perhaps others, the assumption being he wasn't smart enough to contribute. Unreal.

Hemus was notorious for treating the black players like shit when he was the Cardinals� manager, especially Gibson and Curt Flood. Years later he tried to apologize to both of them, but they neither forgave nor forgot. Hemus was a bigger prick than most, but racist attitudes like his were prevalent in the game into the 1960s and beyond.

Hankphenom · #2 12-19-2020, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Hemus was notorious for treating the black players like shit when he was the Cardinals� manager, especially Gibson and Curt Flood. Years later he tried to apologize to both of them, but they neither forgave nor forgot. Hemus was a bigger prick than most, but racist attitudes like his were prevalent in the game into the 1960s and beyond.

Yes, "in the game," as in "in America," "and beyond," as in "and today." I was born in 1946, and would recommend not talking about it like it was ancient history. Things are better, tremendous progress has been made, but the last several years have shown us how much further we have to go. If anyone is really interested in atonement for our racist past, there's plenty to do about our racist present right now.

trdcrdkid · #3 12-19-2020, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Yes, "in the game," as in "in America," "and beyond," as in "and today." I was born in 1946, and would recommend not talking about it like it was ancient history. Things are better, tremendous progress has been made, but the last several years have shown us how much further we have to go. If anyone is really interested in atonement for our racist past, there's plenty to do about our racist present right now.

Of course there is still racism in America, and I didn�t mean to imply otherwise. I was talking about the kind of blatant, in-your-face racism that Solly Hemus practiced, which has become socially unacceptable in most public contexts, including MLB. If somebody called an opposing player a �black bastard� today, as Hemus did in 1959, it would rightly cause a furor. Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to think that this means that racism is no longer a problem, but as the past few years have so painfully shown, that�s not the case at all.

cammb · #4 12-19-2020, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Of course there is still racism in America, and I didn�t mean to imply otherwise. I was talking about the kind of blatant, in-your-face racism that Solly Hemus practiced, which has become socially unacceptable in most public contexts, including MLB. If somebody called an opposing player a �black bastard� today, as Hemus did in 1959, it would rightly cause a furor. Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to think that this means that racism is no longer a problem, but as the past few years have so painfully shown, that�s not the case at all.

Please elaborate on our racist present?

Scocs · #5 12-19-2020, 11:30 AM

Let�s just keep focused on the issue at hand: the Negro Leagues...

Hankphenom · #6 12-19-2020, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scocs

Let�s just keep focused on the issue at hand: the Negro Leagues...

If you say so.

sbfinley · #7 12-19-2020, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cammb

Please elaborate on our racist present?

Gonna be honest, I mentally tackled this sidebar discussion from every possible angle and I really don�t see how it could go horribly, terribly, dumpster fire wrong. So sure, have fun with that.

trdcrdkid · #8 12-19-2020, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cammb

Please elaborate on our racist present?

Uh, no thanks.

todeen · #9 12-21-2020, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Yes, "in the game," as in "in America," "and beyond," as in "and today." I was born in 1946, and would recommend not talking about it like it was ancient history. Things are better, tremendous progress has been made, but the last several years have shown us how much further we have to go. If anyone is really interested in atonement for our racist past, there's plenty to do about our racist present right now.

+1

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