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Old 07-23-2021, 12:08 PM
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This brings up a good point. Were Paul Brown and/or Jim Brown offended by the name "Browns?"
Doubtful as to Paul-- the team was named for him.
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Doubtful as to Paul-- the team was named for him.
And the Indians were named after Sockalexis. Why can a team be named after some people and no offense is taken (Brown, Lajoie) but not others?

It seems like for every tradition in this country, there is somebody intent on tearing it down.
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And the Indians were named after Sockalexis. Why can a team be named after some people and no offense is taken (Brown, Lajoie) but not others?

It seems like for every tradition in this country, there is somebody intent on tearing it down.
Yep. Like this one.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/23/us/kk...tol/index.html
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That would be an excellent analogy........ if Sockalexis had founded a hate group.
I see. You get to decide what is tradition and what is offensive. Damn shame the Cleveland ownership didn't consult with you before deciding to change names.

As was discussed back late last year, this so-called cancel culture has been going on for half a century now when it comes to teams changing their nicknames. So you can piss and moan all you want, it's not going away.
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I see. You get to decide what is tradition and what is offensive. Damn shame the Cleveland ownership didn't consult with you before deciding to change names.

As was discussed back late last year, this so-called cancel culture has been going on for half a century now when it comes to teams changing their nicknames. So you can piss and moan all you want, it's not going away.
Cancel culture has been going on for 50 years?
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No where close to the extent it is now. I can't even get Uncle Ben's rice any longer. Now it's Uncle Harry's or something (no offense to anyone named Harry)
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That's my point-- there is nothing real new here. The Stanford team changed its name from the Indians to Cardinals in 1972, and several other teams followed suit in the ensuing few years. There was no such term as cancel culture, now it's considered some kind of movement fostered by a sort of evil, anti-American, what have they done to my great country cabal. Oh the horror!
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Which is worse? To memorialize a KKK member with a bust or parade with them?
I am sure that you know that your post is disingenuous BS. Senator Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK in his youth, later calling it the biggest mistake of his life. He renounced the KKK, racism and segregation. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a traitor, an unrepentant racist and a sociopathic murderer.
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I am sure that you know that your post is disingenuous BS.
More disingenuous than your BS post?

You think political reasons might have been why Byrd renounced the KKK, racism and segregation?
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More disingenuous than your BS post?

You think political reasons might have been why Byrd renounced the KKK, racism and segregation?
You are the one who compared him to the author of the Fort Pillow massacre and the Grand Wizard of the KKK. I am not sure that Senator Byrd was too concerned about “political reasons”considering that his state, even today, is more than 93% white. So President Biden was photographed with Senator Byrd. That proves exactly what? Shall I post the dozens of photos of Trump with known racists, insurrectionists and pedophiles? To what end?
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I am sure that you know that your post is disingenuous BS. Senator Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK in his youth, later calling it the biggest mistake of his life. He renounced the KKK, racism and segregation. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a traitor, an unrepentant racist and a sociopathic murderer.

Forrest joined the Ku Klux Klan in 1867 (two years after its founding) and was elected its first Grand Wizard. The group was a loose collection of local factions throughout the former Confederacy that used violence and the threat of violence to maintain white control over the newly enfranchised former slaves. The Klan, with Forrest at the lead, suppressed voting rights of blacks in the South through violence and intimidation during the elections of 1868.

In 1869, Forrest expressed disillusionment with the lack of discipline in the white supremacist terrorist group across the South and issued a letter ordering the dissolution of the Ku Klux Klan as well as the destruction of its costumes; he then withdrew from the organization. In the last years of his life, Forrest insisted he had never been a member and made a public speech in favor of racial harmony.

Much like Bob Byrd, Forrest denounced racism later in life.
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Should I get rid of my Manny rookie and get the one in a high school uniform or the one in street clothes?

I lost it with this movement when San Francisco changed the name of a school previously named after Abraham Lincoln, because of his role in the 1837 Black Hawk War.

Speaking of Black Hawks, COME ON Chicago. How about the Chicago Loop or something.
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Forrest joined the Ku Klux Klan in 1867 (two years after its founding) and was elected its first Grand Wizard. The group was a loose collection of local factions throughout the former Confederacy that used violence and the threat of violence to maintain white control over the newly enfranchised former slaves. The Klan, with Forrest at the lead, suppressed voting rights of blacks in the South through violence and intimidation during the elections of 1868.

In 1869, Forrest expressed disillusionment with the lack of discipline in the white supremacist terrorist group across the South and issued a letter ordering the dissolution of the Ku Klux Klan as well as the destruction of its costumes; he then withdrew from the organization. In the last years of his life, Forrest insisted he had never been a member and made a public speech in favor of racial harmony.

Much like Bob Byrd, Forrest denounced racism later in life.
+1

But as I said earlier, you can't reason with stupidly. But I guess the jackass hasn't read your post yet, otherwise he would call it "disingenuous BS" as he did mine.
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Forrest joined the Ku Klux Klan in 1867 (two years after its founding) and was elected its first Grand Wizard. The group was a loose collection of local factions throughout the former Confederacy that used violence and the threat of violence to maintain white control over the newly enfranchised former slaves. The Klan, with Forrest at the lead, suppressed voting rights of blacks in the South through violence and intimidation during the elections of 1868.

In 1869, Forrest expressed disillusionment with the lack of discipline in the white supremacist terrorist group across the South and issued a letter ordering the dissolution of the Ku Klux Klan as well as the destruction of its costumes; he then withdrew from the organization. In the last years of his life, Forrest insisted he had never been a member and made a public speech in favor of racial harmony.

Much like Bob Byrd, Forrest denounced racism later in life.
Look. This discussion has nothing to do with the thread. It started because vintagetoppsguy tried to disparage Biden, who I am no fan of BTW, by showing a picture of him with Robert Byrd and suggesting that that was worse than having a bust honoring Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest. Never mind that Robert Byrd served in the Senate for 51 years and was minority leader at the time, obviously someone Biden was obligated to work with. Never mind that Byrd joined the KKK as a youth but later called it the biggest mistake of his life and renounced racism and segregation. Never mind that Forrest was not just a member of the KKK but its Grand Wizard. Never mind that Forrest massacred Black Union soldiers at Fort Pillow as they tried to surrender. Never mind that the false equivalency could not be more obvious. The level of evil displayed by Forrest is in no way comparable to Robert Byrd. Not equivalent at all. For pointing this out, I was called stupid and a jackass. How ridiculous. I am done. This has nothing to do with Cleveland adopting new name.
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And the Indians were named after Sockalexis. Why can a team be named after some people and no offense is taken (Brown, Lajoie) but not others?

It seems like for every tradition in this country, there is somebody intent on tearing it down.
Cancel culture.


I am taking offense at these guys playing baseball!!
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And the Indians were named after Sockalexis. Why can a team be named after some people and no offense is taken (Brown, Lajoie) but not others?

It seems like for every tradition in this country, there is somebody intent on tearing it down.
You just nailed the real motive behind this entire cancel culture.
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As someone who’s team is named after laundry, and not even fancy top layer laundry, I find this hard to get up in arms about.
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As someone who’s team is named after laundry, and not even fancy top layer laundry, I find this hard to get up in arms about.
I was going to say the same thing!
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Both are great! hopefully the Braves will be next.
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I don't like the new name. If they were going to go with something boring then they should have just renamed the team the Cleveland Meh's.

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I was at Progressive Field tonight. When they announced the new name before the game, most of the crowd booed. I don’t care either way. But I can tell you after living 25+ years overseas, my experience back in the country is everyone is afraid….. about everything. Thank god for baseball though. Come October 4 we are leaving and will be back first week of April for the next season.
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My first thought when I read this on the internet was, "What a stupid name". Teams should let the fans come up with a name. Oh well.
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That name is the epitome of awfulness!!!!! What in high f_ck???????????

They should have no name at all, with just a bold, handwritten 'x' on the front of the jersey as a symbol of cancel culture. And perhaps any fan showing up in something with a Cleveland Indians logo on it should be immediately arrested.

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Or better yet, call them the Cleveland Cortis, to memorialize the ITALIAN actor who played the fake, crying Indian in those memorable 1970 TV commercials, Espera Oscar de Corti. Quite apropos.
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry at how awful this is. The Guardians? Ridiculous times
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The name isn't great - a tribute to bridge pillars?!? - but, at the end of the day, I don't care. The owners are free to do whatever they want with the name.
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actually owners are bowing down to woke crowd
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I will always refer to them as the Indians.
I will always refer to the Washington football club as the Redskins.
Same for all other changes.

And I will ALWAYS stand for our National Anthem.

That's just me.
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Besides, the Guardians? What a horrible name.
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I will always refer to the Washington football club as the Redskins.
Same for all other changes.

And I will ALWAYS stand for our National Anthem.

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Do you say that Hank Aaron played for the Beaneaters? Did Mantle play for the Highlanders?
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And the Indians were named after Sockalexis. Why can a team be named after some people and no offense is taken (Brown, Lajoie) but not others?

It seems like for every tradition in this country, there is somebody intent on tearing it down.
They weren't named after Sockalexis. Otherwise, they would have been called the Cleveland Socks.
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