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Old 05-01-2022, 12:19 PM
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It’s one of the most talked about things in the hobby. It’s not in the shadows…

A person who is guilty of wrongdoing and a person who has been convicted of a crime are different things. That PWCC has not been charged or convicted does not mean the mountains of evidence are untrue.
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It’s one of the most talked about things in the hobby. It’s not in the shadows…

A person who is guilty of wrongdoing and a person who has been convicted of a crime are different things. That PWCC has not been charged or convicted does not mean the mountains of evidence are untrue.
An example of the "burden of proof" logical fallacy, eh?

You, me, and countless others know damn well what the truth is. It doesn't matter who denies it, and it's a waste of time arguing with them.
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An example of the "burden of proof" logical fallacy, eh?
I think we're moving away from logical fallacies and bad faith arguments into "straight up lying" territory now
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I think we're moving away from logical fallacies and bad faith arguments into "straight up lying" territory now
Yes but it's couched in logical fallacy terms -- he hasn't been charged or convicted therefore he didn't do anything wrong.

BTW do innocent people choose to cooperate with the FBI?
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Yes but it's couched in logical fallacy terms -- he hasn't been charged or convicted therefore he didn't do anything wrong.

BTW do innocent people choose to cooperate with the FBI?
Ok logical fallacies aside we have to agree with you that pwcc is the worst actor based on the number of posts here. Done and done.
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Ok logical fallacies aside we have to agree with you that pwcc is the worst actor based on the number of posts here. Done and done.
Think whatever you want, but base it on facts.
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Ok logical fallacies aside we have to agree with you that pwcc is the worst actor based on the number of posts here. Done and done.
Any evidence you have to refute any claim that has been made would be welcome. A logical argument at least would also be welcome.
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Yes but it's couched in logical fallacy terms -- he hasn't been charged or convicted therefore he didn't do anything wrong.

BTW do innocent people choose to cooperate with the FBI?
We should cut them some slack, after all being a PWCC shill is a very difficult task these days
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We should cut them some slack, after all being a PWCC shill is a very difficult task these days
It's interesting, for years, people vehemently defended PWCC. One "The Scandal" really came to light, virtually nobody did. Now, people seem to be doing so again, or at least in the lukewarm sense of claiming it's all an unproven conspiracy theory, or saying they're no worse than everyone else in the hobby, etc.
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Old 05-01-2022, 12:57 PM
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It's interesting, for years, people vehemently defended PWCC. One "The Scandal" really came to light, virtually nobody did. Now, people seem to be doing so again, or at least in the lukewarm sense of claiming it's all an unproven conspiracy theory, or saying they're no worse than everyone else in the hobby, etc.
This behavior is why, personally, I think the best detective work was the work on modern cards that are serial numbered. The unique serializing makes it entirely undeniable that these cards were, in fact, the exact same card and clearly trimmed. Which is probably why we see nobody actually challenge the evidence itself, simply throw absurd illogical statements around and try to lump in the documentation of PWCC's guilt with conspiracy theories. When you got nothing else to throw, throw bull!@#$
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