Gun ownership poll

[mrreality68]

I understand and respect both sides

I personally do not want gun in schools (specifically not with the teachers). I prefer the metal detectors to walk thru and increased staffing of trained armed security.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

I understand and respect both sides

I personally do not want gun in schools (specifically not with the teachers). I prefer the metal detectors to walk thru and increased staffing of trained armed security.

Why are armed security a good idea, but those same people cannot be teachers?

If you look at all the schools in this country, a very tiny percentage of them have shooting incidents. Why should schools spend precious resources (schools are constantly under-funded, if you listen to some) having armed security sitting around, when 99.9% of them will never need to spring into action?

Let a few teachers and/or administrators go through a rigorous training program, same as a security guard or policeman, pay them extra for doing so, and then you have trained armed security at much less cost, since teaching is their primary job.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Why are armed security a good idea, but those same people cannot be teachers?

If you look at all the schools in this country, a very tiny percentage of them have shooting incidents. Why should schools spend precious resources (schools are constantly under-funded, if you listen to some) having armed security sitting around, when 99.9% of them will never need to spring into action?

Let a few teachers and/or administrators go through a rigorous training program, same as a security guard or policeman, pay them extra for doing so, and then you have trained armed security at much less cost, since teaching is their primary job.

Because you’ve now introduced guns into every school where by your calculation 99.9% of them would never otherwise have an incident. Chances of a shooting have just gone up in every one of those schools with the introduction of guns. Plus, in an earlier post I shared a detailed report that showed armed guards had little to no impact and in many cases had a negative impact.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Because you’ve now introduced guns into every school where by your calculation 99.9% of them would never otherwise have an incident. Chances of a shooting have just gone up in every one of those schools with the introduction of guns. Plus, in an earlier post I shared a detailed report that showed armed guards had little to no impact and in many cases had a negative impact.

Are we concerned about school shootings or not? After all, 99.9% of schools never have an incident.

When there is an incident, the murdering will stop when good guys with guns stop the bad guy with the gun (or knife.)

Your solution: Call 911 and wait until help arrives, as kids are being killed.
My solution: Have help right there, on site and prepared.

Does it make more sense to have a fire extinguisher in your home, or keep it 5 miles away?

[steve B]

In at least two school shootings, there was armed trained security on the scene or who arrived before the shooter was in the building and they didn't engage. The one in Uvalde didn't have a good shot.
The one in Parkland seems to have left the area.

I'm not sure having armed teachers is a good idea. Back when I was in HS and some of the male teachers were veterans of either WWII or Korea maybe.
(Dad was the superintendent for secondary schools, and the principal the last couple years was if I remember it right a Marine reserve Colonel. I don't think either one would have gone for that plan)

[irv]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Are we concerned about school shootings or not? After all, 99.9% of schools never have an incident.

When there is an incident, the murdering will stop when good guys with guns stop the bad guy with the gun (or knife.)

Your solution: Call 911 and wait until help arrives, as kids are being killed.
My solution: Have help right there, on site and prepared.

Does it make more sense to have a fire extinguisher in your home, or keep it 5 miles away?

I guess I'll never understand how some people think???
Imagine being a parent and knowing your child is in a school that is currently under attack by an assailant and praying like no tomorrow the cops arrive soon.
Talk about seconds feeling like hours.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

I guess I'll never understand how some people think???
Imagine being a parent and knowing your child is in a school that is currently under attack by an assailant and praying like no tomorrow the cops arrive soon.
Talk about seconds feeling like hours.

I think fire prevention is the key. Just like the prevention of the attacks in the first place - preventing people from getting their hands on these weapons of mass killings. Fire prevention and a fire extinguisher are both good measures. Your proposal of putting guns in the school is like having a fire already burning in your house to prevent a fire. Seems silly. Will leave aside the fact that an armed guard can do more harm than good if they engage and for the money they make may not engage at all.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I think fire prevention is the key. Just like the prevention of the attacks in the first place - preventing people from getting their hands on these weapons of mass killings. Fire prevention and a fire extinguisher are both good measures. Your proposal of putting guns in the school is like having a fire already burning in your house to prevent a fire. Seems silly. Will leave aside the fact that an armed guard can do more harm than good if they engage and for the money they make may not engage at all.

correct i think teachers would engage more......i do not agree with your analogy......fire does not stop fire, or by having fire it doesnt not prevent fire from burning down a building (though conrolled fires in a forest are done)

a Gun can prevent someone else's gun from killing someone or better yet, deter someone from bringing a gun as there will likely not be 30 minutes of wait time while a shooting spree is going on...

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Why are armed security a good idea, but those same people cannot be teachers?

If you look at all the schools in this country, a very tiny percentage of them have shooting incidents. Why should schools spend precious resources (schools are constantly under-funded, if you listen to some) having armed security sitting around, when 99.9% of them will never need to spring into action?

Let a few teachers and/or administrators go through a rigorous training program, same as a security guard or policeman, pay them extra for doing so, and then you have trained armed security at much less cost, since teaching is their primary job.

they showed video of the uvalde texas police officers walking around the hallways and also parkland shooting was lawsuit against officers for not doing anything, i find it hard to believe a teacher with personal relationship to students would act the same..

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

they showed video of the uvalde texas police officers walking around the hallways and also parkland shooting was lawsuit against officers for not doing anything, i find it hard to believe a teacher with personal relationship to students would act the same..

Exactly. The kids in that school, and fellow teachers, would be like his extended family.