Gun ownership poll

1952boyntoncollector · #1 07-13-2022, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

I have zero doubt your intentions are good here. But I think there are several drawbacks. First, a trained teacher with a pistol is going to be outgunned when these folks have assault rifles. Second, a trained teacher is bound to make a mistake and the gun may come out at the wrong time in the wrong situation. Third, a kid could get their hands on that gun so there’s a gun in use when there otherwise might not have been one. Fourth, the comparison to armed security for political figures seems misplaced because the sad reality of having to have guns around them versus kids is very different. Sending a kid to a school to sit in a room with a gun every day is a bridge many parents do not want to cross. Many would rather focus on keeping these assault rifles away.

Again, understood your intentions are good and maybe it would help. My views above show I do not agree but I am often wrong. My wife tells me daily.

right, many of your arguments are standard arguments..........when someone doesnt like a position they usually cite that someones postion wont solve ALL....there is no 100%.......yeah a teacher can be out gunned but there may other situations where students may not attack a school at all because some teachers are armed and they dont know who is armed or from what locked door they are going to come from, plus there would likely be an armed guard...arent all armed guards also outgunned? Most police are outgunned in inner cities but we dont ban officers trying to do their job......can walk and chew gum at same time and still work on getting rid of certain assault rifles and have armed teachers

There are metal detectors at schools for a reason..and they dont catch all guns..so why have any metal detectors......but if students can sneak them through, why just let students haved guns and not the teachers..

as far as a student getting their hands on a teachers gun, this can also happen in anyone's house and why there is a gun locker...... i wont go on but you can be certain there are strong counter arguments to what anti armed teachers keep saying, meanwhile kids are getting killed ..

Carter08 · #2 07-13-2022, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right, many of your arguments are standard arguments..........when someone doesnt like a position they usually cite that someones postion wont solve ALL....there is no 100%.......yeah a teacher can be out gunned but there may other situations where students may not attack a school at all because some teachers are armed and they dont know who is armed or from what locked door they are going to come from, plus there would likely be an armed guard...arent all armed guards also outgunned? Most police are outgunned in inner cities but we dont ban officers trying to do their job......can walk and chew gum at same time and still work on getting rid of certain assault rifles and have armed teachers

There are metal detectors at schools for a reason..and they dont catch all guns..so why have any metal detectors......but if students can sneak them through, why just let students haved guns and not the teachers..

as far as a student getting their hands on a teachers gun, this can also happen in anyone's house and why there is a gun locker...... i wont go on but you can be certain there are strong counter arguments to what anti armed teachers keep saying, meanwhile kids are getting killed ..

No, it�s not that I think your solution isn�t perfect. Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. It�s that I think your solution would have a net negative effect. I�d prefer solutions that do more good than harm.

CollectingAmericasPastime · #3 07-13-2022, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

No, it�s not that I think your solution isn�t perfect. Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. It�s that I think your solution would have a net negative effect. I�d prefer solutions that do more good than harm.

Then start proposing some.

Carter08 · #4 07-13-2022, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Then start proposing some.

My proposal don�t work for you folks. Requirements that every gun purchaser take a class and show proof he or she owns a safe. Maybe a law that parents of underage kids that gain access to their weapons and use them in a school can be thrown in jail, greater restrictions on assault rifles. As for the current weapons that are out there, these laws can be applied forward. If you own an assault rifle, go out and buy a safe or if your kid gets hold of it you are going to jail.

G1911 · #5 07-13-2022, 07:51 PM

For the three hundredth time, assault rifles are already heavily, heavily restricted and cost tens of thousands of dollars and months of waiting times. The NFA bans any assault rifles not registered by January 1, 1986. You cannot go and buy an assault rifle at the store.

Troll better.

Carter08 · #6 07-13-2022, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

For the three hundredth time, assault rifles are already heavily, heavily restricted and cost tens of thousands of dollars and months of waiting times. The NFA bans any assault rifles not registered by January 1, 1986. You cannot go and buy an assault rifle at the store.

Troll better.

Owners of assault rifles have to have a safe and if their kid uses one in a school they go to jail. Address actual points. You�re the biggest troll on this site bar none.

G1911 · #7 07-13-2022, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

Owners of assault rifles have to have a safe and if their kid uses one in a school they go to jail. Address actual points. You�re the biggest troll on this site bar none.

I stated an actual, verifiable fact. See, you're just shitposting. You're the only one here who isn't even sincere.

CollectingAmericasPastime · #8 07-13-2022, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

My proposal don�t work for you folks. Requirements that every gun purchaser take a class and show proof he or she owns a safe. Maybe a law that parents of underage kids that gain access to their weapons and use them in a school can be thrown in jail, greater restrictions on assault rifles. As for the current weapons that are out there, these laws can be applied forward. If you own an assault rifle, go out and buy a safe or if your kid gets hold of it you are going to jail.

Utopian ideas aren't real world solutions.

Carter08 · #9 07-13-2022, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

Utopian ideas aren't real world solutions.

Let�s arm teachers and hope for the best. Good plan.

1952boyntoncollector · #10 07-14-2022, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

Let’s arm teachers and hope for the best. Good plan.

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Lets not arm teachers and hope for the best when shooters come in.. (and also let students bring in arms who avoid the metal detectors)

.looks like its been working thus far....looks like a much greater plan.

steve B · #11 07-14-2022, 10:32 AM

It's like you guys need a translator while everyone is speaking english.
(Not uncommon between groups with no common specialized language)

So, a few definitions. and information.
Single shot- Each round must be loaded individually maybe with mechanical help, but it requires a person to do it.
Semi- Automatic- The gun loads the next round itself. But the operator still needs to pull the trigger. Most hunting rifles are made this way, and also many shotguns.
Fully automatic- Pull the trigger, it shoots until you let off or run out.
(selective fire not included for simplicity)

Assault weapon
One side- any gun with a set of possibly scary looking features. Pistol grips accessory mounting rails, that perforated tube grip thingy on the front etc.
Other side
a- There isn't really any such thing, no manufacturer calls their product that.
b- There are however guns that are fully automatic. And these have been heavily regulated for close to 90 years.

The key laws covering fully automatic.
1934 NFA. requires tons of paperwork, a then heavy tax on transfer, and registration, and an in depth background check. For all automatic weapons as well as a host of others, like shotguns with less than 18 inch barrels, weapons built as part of another object like a sword cane. and much more. Last I checked, only three crimes had been committed with an NFA registered firearm.

1968 Gun control act
Until this went into effect, it was possible to register a previously unregistered NFA weapon. So if you inherited grand uncle Eddies tommy gun you could make it legal. After? Not so much.
(A friend considered buying a sword cane, and NFA item, but it was not registered. He asked the ATF the question hypothetically what it would require to make it legal, and the answer was reams of probably unavailable paperwork, and even then they might not do it. )

1986 gun owners protection act.
Made transfer of fully automatic firearms illegal unless the firearm was legally owned prior to May 19 1986

Making Uncle Eddies Tommy gun worth a bundle of cash! Hope your relatives registered it...
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In my opinion, the assault weapons bans we have had are basically banning things based on their appearance.
Many hunting or target shooting rifles are much more powerful than an AR-15, but are "safe" because they have no features that make them look like a modern military firearm.
Sort of like banning a car because it's a "sports car" which would also ban most Volkswagen Beetle based kit cars. but the Tesla performance models that look like a fairly ordinary car would be just fine.

CollectingAmericasPastime · #12 07-14-2022, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

Let�s arm teachers and hope for the best. Good plan.

I think my posts have pretty well identified the actual root causes of why we're seeing an uptick in school shootings/violence in society. It will takes a few generations to correct these issues, so in the meantime, my goal is to make sure any potential shooter is down/dead before the kids/teachers are. Fighting fire with fire in this case IS a viable solution.

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