1952 Rosen Mantle SGC 9.5 Final Price – Too high, too low, just right?

[BeanTown]

Now, I’m not a Topps expert and I have never collected the 52 set. I know the Mantle is a “short print” but correct me if I’m wrong…. Didn’t they make 2 print runs or was it 3? How many Mantles are out there which are ungraded and graded.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Now, I’m not a Topps expert and I have never collected the 52 set. I know the Mantle is a “short print” but correct me if I’m wrong…. Didn’t they make 2 print runs or was it 3? How many Mantles are out there which are ungraded and graded.

It is in the high series, the 1952 Topps high series is the shortest print run of any Topps series. Within that series it was printed twice on the sheet, along with Robinson and Thompson. So those 3 have double the population of other 1952 high numbers, but less than any other Topps cards.

[53toppscollector]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Now, I’m not a Topps expert and I have never collected the 52 set. I know the Mantle is a “short print” but correct me if I’m wrong…. Didn’t they make 2 print runs or was it 3? How many Mantles are out there which are ungraded and graded.

SGC has graded 590 Mantles, but only 3 copies at a 9 or higher (2 are 9s, and this 9.5) and PSA has graded 1,496 Mantles, which includes 8 9s (2 with qualifiers) and 3 10s.

So the total population is 2,086 graded between those 2 (plus however many Beckett has graded, though I wonder how many are still in Beckett slabs that haven't been crossed over) with (3) 10s (1) 9.5, (8) 9s, and (2) 9 qualifiers

SGC has graded only (6) at a 8 or 8.5, and PSA (35) 8s, (5) 8.5s, and (8) 8 Qualifiers.

So, its not a rare card, but its rare in high grade. Most of the other cards in the set have been graded 400-500 times by PSA and less than 100 times by SGC.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

SGC has graded 590 Mantles, but only 3 copies at a 9 or higher (2 are 9s, and this 9.5) and PSA has graded 1,496 Mantles, which includes 8 9s (2 with qualifiers) and 3 10s.

So the total population is 2,086 graded between those 2 (plus however many Beckett has graded, though I wonder how many are still in Beckett slabs that haven't been crossed over) with (3) 10s (1) 9.5, (8) 9s, and (2) 9 qualifiers

SGC has graded only (6) at a 8 or 8.5, and PSA (35) 8s, (5) 8.5s, and (8) 8 Qualifiers.

So, its not a rare card, but its rare in high grade. Most of the other cards in the set have been graded 400-500 times by PSA and less than 100 times by SGC.

also its supply and demand of course..not just about POP when comparing 2 different players in same set of course.....there can be 800 x more mantles in the 1952 set and they would still be worth more than the common cards that have 800 less in POP

[chriskim]

Waiting on Rob Gough to announce his new addition of the Mantle 9.5. Since he started the whole thing of setting the "finish line" of this 9.5 at $10Mil and he better finish it with the card.

[Ricky]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

SGC has graded 590 Mantles, but only 3 copies at a 9 or higher (2 are 9s, and this 9.5) and PSA has graded 1,496 Mantles, which includes 8 9s (2 with qualifiers) and 3 10s.

So the total population is 2,086 graded between those 2 (plus however many Beckett has graded, though I wonder how many are still in Beckett slabs that haven't been crossed over) with (3) 10s (1) 9.5, (8) 9s, and (2) 9 qualifiers

SGC has graded only (6) at a 8 or 8.5, and PSA (35) 8s, (5) 8.5s, and (8) 8 Qualifiers.

So, its not a rare card, but its rare in high grade. Most of the other cards in the set have been graded 400-500 times by PSA and less than 100 times by SGC.

So maybe this has been discussed, but with all the hype about how this is the finest 52 Mantle, how does this 9.5 compare with the three PSA 10’s?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Ricky

So maybe this has been discussed, but with all the hype about how this is the finest 52 Mantle, how does this 9.5 compare with the three PSA 10’s?

This was discussed at great length in another recent thread.

[MattyC]

Anyone who thinks this card went low is nuts. 12.6 million dollars is an enormous amount of money.

The card was gorgeous, also.

As to that 7.5, it was tilted as shit for that kind of cash.

And as to PSA 1s, I paid 60k for a particular PSA 1 recently— and I'd do it again and again.

[GaryPassamonte]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Anyone who thinks this card went low is nuts. 12.6 million dollars is an enormous amount of money.

The card was gorgeous, also.

As to that 7.5, it was tilted as shit for that kind of cash.

And as to PSA 1s, I paid 60k for a particular PSA 1 recently— and I'd do it again and again.

I would say this SGC 4 fits your tilt description more accurately than the PSA 7.5. Your eyes a a lot better than mine.

[MattyC]

Gary, you are right: that 4 has major league tilt. The key words for me are "for that kind of cash," yet I'll admit that is all relative. When I train my eye on the comparative width of the bottom white borders on the 7.5, the card is an instant pass for that very serious sum of money. But again, I'll readily concede that to someone for whom that is chump change, maybe it is not a big deal. I'd still advise to patiently wait out less tilt.

There is also a much greater amount of what I call "cap blur" on the 7.5 as compared the 4, which is worth hanging a lantern on for any sticklers when it comes to aesthetics.

[Ricky]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This was discussed at great length in another recent thread.

Can you point me to the thread?