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Old 10-12-2022, 10:49 AM
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Hi I heard the yellow to white but not yellow to blue. I thought topps just didn't run the yellow (to make green) will check the other article mentioned in above reply.

So for the Ed Stroud Card that Butch just posted are we saying that if he left it in the sun that Senators and Stroud would turn white and the green circle would turn blue?...I haven't seen that happen...but open to learn more.

Didn't someone post a blue team circle 1969 Hannah a few years ago? To prove the theory above, was the team name in white?

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Old 10-12-2022, 11:21 AM
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Sometime back some blue 58 Aarons turned up and sold for high dollars as missing color variants, but some of our printing slouths. Ben and Steve I think, demonstrated that blue turns to green after a lot of sun or light exposure.I think Ben posted results of some experiments he ran.

Here are my Mays and Aaron. Fortunately I got my Aaron after the market imploded on them. The amount of blue varies depending on exposure. Some Aarons are much bluer than mine.

You can also see yellow goes white




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Old 10-12-2022, 01:11 PM
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Sometime back some blue 58 Aarons turned up and sold for high dollars as missing color variants, but some of our printing slouths. Ben and Steve I think, demonstrated that blue turns to green after a lot of sun or light exposure.I think Ben posted results of some experiments he ran.

Here are my Mays and Aaron. Fortunately I got my Aaron after the market imploded on them. The amount of blue varies depending on exposure. Some Aarons are much bluer than mine.

You can also see yellow goes white



I'm going to say that was all Ben, who has really studied and experimented with the fading. A missing color is possible, but considering how easily they can be made from normal cards I'd have to consider any missing yellow to be very suspect.

The Mays is a really strange one, having a different color back. I'd have to experiment a bit to see how to make that happen with chemicals, as I don't think it's fading.
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Everyone needs to remember that 'savedfrommyspokes' Larry is the dream killer!!! When you've discovered an incredibly, historically new variation, he turns your life into a nightmare as he proves it to be nothing more than a fanciful daydream. And I should know, because like others, my head is a trophy mounted on his wall.

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Old 10-13-2022, 07:00 AM
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Everyone needs to remember that 'savedfrommyspokes' Larry is the dream killer!!! When you've discovered an incredibly, historically new variation, he turns your life into a nightmare as he proves it to be nothing more than a fanciful daydream. And I should know, because like others, my head is a trophy mounted on his wall.

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The irony of this is that my head is right next to Darren's on my own wall.....within a few weeks of each other, we both had picked up these historic 71 WL cards from the same source. After getting my 71s and thinking back to all of Ben's sun tests on cards, I tried it on a 71 myself....

As Darren's collectorisms list grows seemingly daily, I may have missed it, but I am quite sure there should be a term for this scenario if there is not already.
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Sunny Strays comes to mind. But I don’t have the pizzazz that Darren has with these creations.
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103. Rays of Might
Asking whether a card is a ‘missing ink’ variation or just a card affected by overexposure to sunlight.

See also: Sunblather - trying to convince someone that an obviously sun-bleached card is a rare, missing ink variation.

See also: Fraudosynthesis - leaving a card out in the sun for a long time, and then attempting to convert the inevitable color fading into the energy of big-time dollar signs by calling it a ‘missing ink’ variation.

See also: Sunspurn - not buying the bogus story being sold to you about a 'missing ink' card.
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Hi I heard the yellow to white but not yellow to blue. I thought topps just didn't run the yellow (to make green) will check the other article mentioned in above reply.

So for the Ed Stroud Card that Butch just posted are we saying that if he left it in the sun that Senators and Stroud would turn white and the green circle would turn blue?...I haven't seen that happen...but open to learn more.

Didn't someone post a blue team circle 1969 Hannah a few years ago? To prove the theory above, was the team name in white?

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For the example you gave, yes, most likely the team name would turn white and the green circle would turn blue if left in the sun for an appropriate amount of time. The yellow ink that Topps used in this time period appears to be the quickest to fade as compared to the red and blue inks.

Below are some examples (I have posted previously in this thread) of this same scenario where some clever person tried to create their own WL version of these cards that do have WL variations. They merely covered all but the top portions of each card (the reason the team name didn't turn yellow) which caused the upper parts of the green circles to turn blue and the yellow letters to turn white. On the Epstein card, you can still clearly see the green below the WLs of Epstein.
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Old 10-12-2022, 11:38 AM
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I’ve made some “blue” vintage Topps cards from green cards a couple of ways. Exposure will do it easiest. I do not believe any of this type, even when people are paying hundreds of dollars for these “variations”, are legitimate. None of them left the printer this way, it’s damage. It looks cool sometimes though.
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