Top 25 Worst MLB HOFER’S

[spartygw]

Rabbit Maranville and Catfish Hunter should be in the hall of cool nicknames but not the HOF.

I disagree with the idea that Morris doesn't belong. I understand advanced statistics and use of WAR but you can't measure how guys perform under extreme pressure (as far as I know there's no stat).

Morris was undoubtedly a jerk, but with everything on the line he was nails.

[ClementeFanOh]

G1911- You have exceeded even your worst logic, congrats! "Hijacking...
is rude and a little weird"? BINGO...

Speaking of being inside heads, looks like I'm your Huckleberry

Trent King

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

G1911- You have exceeded even your worst logic, congrats! "Hijacking...
is rude and a little weird"? BINGO...

Speaking of being inside heads, looks like I'm your Huckleberry

Trent King

Bingo. So you agree it’s really weird. I have never once started it with you. Grow up and find a new hobby. I’m sure you’ll be happier.

[FrankWakefield]

Kirby Puckett
Harold Baines

They shouldn't have gone in.

George Kelley should be in. Maranville, Kell, Brock, Rizzuto, Sutter, Pennock, Gomez... they should be in.


We're a bunch of haters.

[G1911]

I'd probably rather have Baines than George Kelly in my lineup.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by spartygw

Rabbit Maranville and Catfish Hunter should be in the hall of cool nicknames but not the HOF.

I disagree with the idea that Morris doesn't belong. I understand advanced statistics and use of WAR but you can't measure how guys perform under extreme pressure (as far as I know there's no stat).

Morris was undoubtedly a jerk, but with everything on the line he was nails.

his career post season numbers are just as mediocre as his regular season numbers. Selective memory, we only remember the really awesome successes.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

his career post season numbers are just as mediocre as his regular season numbers. Selective memory, we only remember the really awesome successes.

And it is the awesome successes that should play a part in the selection. Why do you think they have a committee that votes after the initial selections. Morris belongs there more than any compiler.(Sutton)

[lampertb]

Originally Posted by cammb

And it is the awesome successes that should play a part in the selection. Why do you think they have a committee that votes after the initial selections. Morris belongs there more than any compiler.(Sutton)

I was 15, about to turn 16, living in St. Paul in October '91. I therefore completely agree with this statement. That entire Series was incredible, but games 6 and 7 I shall never forget.

As for my 2 cents on who does NOT belong in the Hall, but is... Baines and Raines, period. Maybe Mazeroski too.

If Baines is in, then Hrbek should be! (half-joking...)

[Mike D.]

Originally Posted by lampertb

for my 2 cents on who does NOT belong in the Hall, but is... Baines and Raines, period.

Other than the fact that it rhymes with Baines, what's your thinking on Raines?

[lampertb]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

Other than the fact that it rhymes with Baines, what's your thinking on Raines?

He was a great base stealer in the '80s... but so were Eric Davis and Vince Coleman. He's the '80s equivalent of Jose Reys. He won 1 batting title, and his lifetime avg. is below .300. No WAY he deserves to be in! If he hadn't signed with NY, then he'd have no WS titles (maybe no playoff appearances) at all.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by lampertb

He was a great base stealer in the '80s... but so were Eric Davis and Vince Coleman. He's the '80s equivalent of Jose Reys. He won 1 batting title, and his lifetime avg. is below .300. No WAY he deserves to be in! If he hadn't signed with NY, then he'd have no WS titles (maybe no playoff appearances) at all.

So you are comparing Tim Raines to Eric Davis, Vince Coleman and Jose Reyes.

Tim Raines has almost twice as many career hits as Eric Davis and Vince Coleman, and a lifetime batting average at least 25 points higher. Raines has more career hits and a higher average than Reyes by 12 points. In addition to having a much higher average, Raines also had a much higher OBP: Raines .385, Davis .359, Reyes .334, Coleman .324.

When Raines got on base he made it count. Not only does Tim Raines have more career stolen bases than any of the other players, he has a lower caught stealing rate.
Raines' career stolen bases only trails Rickey Henderson, Lou Brock, Billy Hamilton, and Ty Cobb. While it is unknown how many times Billy Hamilton was caught stealing, Raines has a lower caught stealing % than Henderson, Brock or Cobb. In fact Raines has the highest stolen base percentage of anyone with over 400 attempts. Raines stole 808 bases in 954 attempts for an 84.7% rate.

Because of his high OBP and steal rate, he cranked out a lot of runs. Raines ranks 55th ever in Runs at 1,571 (right behind Rogers Hornsby) compared to Reyes 1,180, Davis 938, Coleman 849.

Raines was a 7x All-Star--Coleman and Davis were 2x All Stars, and Reyes was a 4x All-Star

Career WAR: Raines 69.4, Reyes 37.4, Davis 36.1, Coleman only 12.5

7 Year Peak WAR: Raines 42.4, Davis 30, Reyes 29.3, Coleman only 13.2

JAWS: Raines 55.9 (8th best LF) , Reyes 33.4 (57th best SS), Davis 33.1 (64th best CF), Coleman 12.8 (186th best LF).

Raines had a better peak, and a much better career than the other players. He is about the 8th best left fielder ever, compared to Coleman who is the 186th best. Its just not a great comparison.

[lampertb]

Originally Posted by lampertb

He won 1 batting title, and his lifetime avg. is below .300. If he hadn't signed with NY, then he'd have no WS titles (maybe no playoff appearances) at all.

I repeat...