why do sellers change asking price to sold after a sale?

G1911 · #1 09-06-2023, 09:27 PM

"But the contrarian part of me now desperately wants to sell something and then brazenly delete the price just because of the painfully odious response it seems to provoke in people who weren't interested in actually buying the card and 99% of the time has readily available public pricing information to value the card.�

Peter_Spaeth · #2 09-06-2023, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

"But the contrarian part of me now desperately wants to sell something and then brazenly delete the price just because of the painfully odious response it seems to provoke in people who weren't interested in actually buying the card and 99% of the time has readily available public pricing information to value the card.”

Which way does that cut? If that's the case, why are buyers requesting the price be deleted since it won't do them any good?

G1911 · #3 09-06-2023, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Which way does that cut? If that's the case, why are buyers requesting the price be deleted since it won't do them any good?

I�ve never had anyone request it. My reasons were different. Whether a T206 common sold for $75, $80 or $85 I really can�t see why anyone not in the deal cares, and I really don�t see why some people are clearly upset about it and using rather extreme verbiage.

Lorewalker · #4 09-06-2023, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I�ve never had anyone request it. My reasons were different. Whether a T206 common sold for $75, $80 or $85 I really can�t see why anyone not in the deal cares, and I really don�t see why some people are clearly upset about it and using rather extreme verbiage.

It was only one person who used rather extreme verbiage and that was me. Apologies for offending you.

Just because I have not bought a T206 Wagner does not mean I would not like to see price point data. A deal today that I had nothing to do with might be a deal I end up doing in the future so the reference would be cool to have.

If we take things a step further should auction houses not keep sales data for us to access from their websites and stop feeding data to VCP?

G1911 · #5 09-06-2023, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

It was only one person who used rather extreme verbiage and that was me. Apologies for offending you.

Just because I have not bought a T206 Wagner does not mean I would not like to see price point data. A deal today that I had nothing to do with might be a deal I end up doing in the future so the reference would be cool to have.

If we take things a step further should auction houses not keep sales data for us to access from their websites and stop feeding data to VCP?

I’m not offended, I just don’t understand the value of this data and why people care so deeply rather than have a casual opinion. It’s a tiny amount of cards, which are mostly members ‘junk’, stuff people are just trying to move easily. It’s rare something sells here for which the pricing information would be legitimately useful and would help establish what a card is ‘worth’.

An auction house can do whatever they want with their sales data; it’s their data. They show it because it is in their fiscal interest to do so.

Lorewalker · #6 09-06-2023, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I’m not offended, I just don’t understand the value of this data and why people care so deeply rather than have a casual opinion. It’s a tiny amount of cards, which are mostly members ‘junk’, stuff people are just trying to move easily. It’s rare something sells here for which the pricing information would be legitimately useful and would help establish what a card is ‘worth’.

An auction house can do whatever they want with their sales data; it’s their data. They show it because it is in their fiscal interest to do so.

Anyone can do almost anything they want. That was not the point. I think we all benefit as buyers and sellers from having as much sales data as possible. Being able to see asking prices at a minimum here is something which I feel is helpful and if a seller was going to put it up once then simply leave it.

And I disagree that BST is full of junk. Pretty harsh generalization.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 09-06-2023, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I�m not offended, I just don�t understand the value of this data and why people care so deeply rather than have a casual opinion. It�s a tiny amount of cards, which are mostly members �junk�, stuff people are just trying to move easily. It�s rare something sells here for which the pricing information would be legitimately useful and would help establish what a card is �worth�.

An auction house can do whatever they want with their sales data; it�s their data. They show it because it is in their fiscal interest to do so.

I have bought these here and many more of this caliber. I doubt they would be junk to most.

Lorewalker · #8 09-06-2023, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have bought these here and many more of this caliber. I doubt they would be junk to most.

You actually but that junk here? Sucker.

Casey2296 · #9 09-06-2023, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

It was only one person who used rather extreme verbiage and that was me. Apologies for offending you.

Just because I have not bought a T206 Wagner does not mean I would not like to see price point data. A deal today that I had nothing to do with might be a deal I end up doing in the future so the reference would be cool to have.

If we take things a step further should auction houses not keep sales data for us to access from their websites and stop feeding data to VCP?

But we're not an auction house here, we're like minded members who respect each other.
For example; a long time member posted his Rose Postcard of Moonlight Graham for sale, Ryan sent a PM and bought it.

Is the sales price anybody's business but the two of them? No.

If you were collecting Rose Postcards and wanted to get an idea of what that card sold for I'm sure you could pm Ryan and ask him, he's a nice guy and a good member so he would probably tell you.

If you want Net54 opinions to build a database of the card you want just make a post, "how much does a XXX go for?" you will get more opinions and data than you'd ever want.

Lorewalker · #10 09-06-2023, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey2296

But we're not an auction house here, we're like minded members who respect each other.
For example; a long time member posted his Rose Postcard of Moonlight Graham for sale, Ryan sent a PM and bought it.

Is the sales price anybody's business but the two of them? No.

If you were collecting Rose Postcards and wanted to get an idea of what that card sold for I'm sure you could pm Ryan and ask him, he's a nice guy and a good member so he would probably tell you.

If you want Net54 opinions to build a database of the card you want just make a post, "how much does a XXX go for?" you will get more opinions and data than you'd ever want.

I can appreciate that but I also like to rely on my own efforts and not have to trouble other people. In your example, if the seller of the postcard did not put an asking price in the post I would agree it is nobody's business. If he did then what harm is it in leaving it there?

And I pose the same question to you as I did to Greg: Should auction sites now refuse to share sales data with us and cease submitting data to VCP? Imagine going to eBay and searching sales and starting price was gone as was sold price? I think most in the hobby would be up in arms.

Casey2296 · #11 09-06-2023, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I can appreciate that but I also like to rely on my own efforts and not have to trouble other people. In your example, if the seller of the postcard did not put an asking price in the post I would agree it is nobody's business. If he did then what harm is it in leaving it there?

And I pose the same question to you as I did to Greg: Should auction sites now refuse to share sales data with us and cease submitting data to VCP? Imagine going to eBay and searching sales and starting price was gone as was sold price? I think most in the hobby would be up in arms.

There's no harm in leaving it there, but if it's one thing I've learned from old school collectors here is that you have to show passion and effort to get information. It's what sets us apart from a lot of the collecting world, that and a big dollop of honesty and integrity. It's why I love this community so much.
Auction houses, eBay, and VCP are in the business of gathering sales info, you can gather information here but not in the same way so it's not a valid comparison imho.

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