Final UPDATE. PSA Guarantee on a doctored card - Actual good news this time

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Well stated, and thanks for posting the link.

It took about 11 seconds to load on my outdated cell phone. What a great resource… now that I have it, I’ll refer to it regularly and share with others.

Many thanks to Tiffany Cards and BODA. Really a shame that the people doing goodwill for the community (at their own time/expense) are shamed while profit-driven tone-deaf entities are defended and revered. “Professional graders” are no better at grading than most of the people here.

Lol. Ya, I'm calling bullshit on the 11 second load time.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Lol. Ya, I'm calling bullshit on the 11 second load time.

It took about 15 seconds for the database to load so that I could search it. However, the message saying that the database was loading and please be patient with the spinning icon was still present even after I was able to search in it.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by jayshum

It took about 15 seconds for the database to load so that I could search it. However, the message saying that the database was loading and please be patient with the spinning icon was still present even after I was able to search in it.

Again, I'm calling bullshit. It does not load in 15 seconds. It takes minutes to load. The webpage itself loads, and a few dozen rows of cards might load in 15 seconds, but the full excel file is not loading in 15 seconds.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Let me guess. Only water was used, and there was nothing to disclose.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Let me guess. Only water was used, and there was nothing to disclose.

This is a classic example of what I keep talking about over and over and over. Someone on a web forum calls out a card and posts inaccurate/manipulated images that do not actually represent what the card looks like or looked like, or in this case both. Then they post these doctored before vs after images to make it appear as though something has been done to a card which in fact has not been done to it (in this case the implication is clearly that some sort of chemical bleaching/ateration has occurred). And you bought it hook line and sinker, because hey, look at those images! Yet, in hand, the card itself clearly has off-white dirty borders and has not been bleached at all, as also evidenced by the more accurate scans posted above. The very scans that Tiffany originally found of the card yet intentionally ignored because they didn't fit her agenda.

[Exhibitman]

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Again, I'm calling bullshit. It does not load in 15 seconds. It takes minutes to load. The webpage itself loads, and a few dozen rows of cards might load in 15 seconds, but the full excel file is not loading in 15 seconds.

You can call it whatever you want, but after about 15 seconds, there were rows from the database displayed. I then did Ctrl-F and searched for Williams and it showed a count of 97 and took me to the first example which was Billy Williams near the bottom of the list.

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by jayshum

You can call it whatever you want, but after about 15 seconds, there were rows from the database displayed. I then did Ctrl-F and searched for Williams and it showed a count of 97 and took me to the first example which was Billy Williams near the bottom of the list.

Some people will never figure it out.


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[steve B]

I doubt a simple soaking in water would remove a water stain like that.

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by steve B

I doubt a simple soaking in water would remove a water stain like that.

Yes, it 100% can. For people trying to avoid buying cleaned cards, I highly recommend watching online content to see how it’s done or better yet, simply buy a few old vintage common cards to try it yourself. That’s how I learned to help avoid buying cleaned cards at shows & in auctions. I taught myself how to spot cleaned cards (not perfect but helps). Dr Beckett talked many times on his podcast about high grade vintage cards looking unnatural. That is why I think over 50% of mid to high end vintage cards have been cleaned at some point. I remember dealers taking about soaking cards during the 1980s as a kid. That’s why I think many of us have unknowingly cleaned cards in our vintage collections whether we are aware of not. It’s up to you to believe it or remain ignorant

E.g. I work in IT Security & Integration Program Mgt. How do you think we learn to continuously protect our systems? Like the FBI, other companies, etc… we hire, attend lectures , & study former hackers to teach ourselves. We just don’t guess or reuse online posts. Like most things in life, need to study the opposition to learn.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by steve b

i doubt a simple soaking in water would remove a water stain like that.

lol