Final UPDATE. PSA Guarantee on a doctored card - Actual good news this time

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Collecting for fun to avoid the BS is exactly what the card doctors prey upon. They don’t want you to check certs and hate the altered card database bc it’s an easy way to check.

Is it though? Is it really an easy way to check? When I tried to use it a couple of months ago I let the spreadsheet load for about 10 minutes and gave up. Have you looked into using an actual database instead of an Excel file? Postgres SQL is pretty easy to use and it's open source.

Also, the victims of the publishing of these certs are almost entirely the end collectors like raulus, not the card doctors. As you stated earlier, the card doctors don't care at all. PSA determines which certs are valid, not some person on the internet who comes up with her own definition of what it means for a card to be "altered". You can flag a card as "altered" but it isn't going to affect the hammer price of an auction as long as the cert is still valid.

I've even offered to soak a card (which you consider to be an "alteration") and put a sticker on the back with your logo on it, and to advertise it as being in your database. I said I think I could even sell it for more than an average copy. I wasn't joking. Do I have your permission to make a sticker with your logo on it and to sell it advertising your database? I'll even send you the before and after pics of the soaked card. It'll be a fun experiment.

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Is it though? Is it really an easy way to check? When I tried to use it a couple of months ago I let the spreadsheet load for about 10 minutes and gave up. Have you looked into using an actual database instead of an Excel file? Postgres SQL is pretty easy to use and it's open source.

Also, the victims of the publishing of these certs are almost entirely the end collectors like raulus, not the card doctors. As you stated earlier, the card doctors don't care at all. PSA determines which certs are valid, not some person on the internet who comes up with her own definition of what it means for a card to be "altered". You can flag a card as "altered" but it isn't going to affect the hammer price of an auction as long as the cert is still valid.

I've even offered to soak a card (which you consider to be an "alteration") and put a sticker on the back with your logo on it, and to advertise it as being in your database. I said I think I could even sell it for more than an average copy. I wasn't joking. Do I have your permission to make a sticker with your logo on it and to sell it advertising your database? I'll even send you the before and after pics of the soaked card. It'll be a fun experiment.

When I tried to have a conversation with you about it, didn’t you try to get me banned from this forum? No need for a sticker when you could just disclose it in your listing. Do you have cards that you sold on the altered card database? Do you disclose it in your listings? Why not?

Grading companies are more reactive than proactive when it comes to decertifying cards. Which is why the altered card database exists. It’s not perfect, but it is easy and free to use.


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[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by tiffanycards

grading companies are more reactive than proactive when it comes to decertifying cards. Which is why the altered card database exists. It’s not perfect, but it is easy and free to use.

+1 👍🏻💯

[G1911]

https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered...abase/baseball

It took 6 seconds to load for me. It seems to work fine for everyone who does not have a vested interest in defrauding people. I'm so upset this completely free resource put together to help people without profit takes a few seconds to load .

I know other collectors who use it too. Some of us shill for scamming and defrauding, a lot of us selectively support it when the right people do it, and some of us are against it but don't actually do anything about it but argue with shitposting scammers. Tiffany and BODA are pretty much the only people actually making any effort, to the collective gain of the rest of us that don't like the lies and frauds being perpetrated, to actually do something. It is a sad state that they are largely attacked because those efforts don't align with the fraud people want to commit or support.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by G1911

https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered...abase/baseball

It took 6 seconds to load for me. It seems to work fine for everyone who does not have a vested interest in defrauding people. I'm so upset this completely free resource put together to help people without profit takes a few seconds to load .

I know other collectors who use it too. Some of us shill for scamming and defrauding, a lot of us selectively support it when the right people do it, and some of us are against it but don't actually do anything about it but argue with shitposting scammers. Tiffany and BODA are pretty much the only people actually making any effort, to the collective gain of the rest of us that don't like the lies and frauds being perpetrated, to actually do something. It is a sad state that they are largely attacked because those efforts don't align with the fraud people want to commit or support.

Well stated, and thanks for posting the link.

It took about 11 seconds to load on my outdated cell phone. What a great resource… now that I have it, I’ll refer to it regularly and share with others.

Many thanks to Tiffany Cards and BODA. Really a shame that the people doing goodwill for the community (at their own time/expense) are shamed while profit-driven tone-deaf entities are defended and revered. “Professional graders” are no better at grading than most of the people here.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Well stated, and thanks for posting the link.

It took about 11 seconds to load on my outdated cell phone. What a great resource… now that I have it, I’ll refer to it regularly and share with others.

Many thanks to Tiffany Cards and BODA. Really a shame that the people doing goodwill for the community (at their own time/expense) are shamed while profit-driven tone-deaf entities are defended and revered. “Professional graders” are no better at grading than most of the people here.

Lol. Ya, I'm calling bullshit on the 11 second load time.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Lol. Ya, I'm calling bullshit on the 11 second load time.

It took about 15 seconds for the database to load so that I could search it. However, the message saying that the database was loading and please be patient with the spinning icon was still present even after I was able to search in it.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

When I tried to have a conversation with you about it, didn’t you try to get me banned from this forum? No need for a sticker when you could just disclose it in your listing. Do you have cards that you sold on the altered card database? Do you disclose it in your listings? Why not?

Grading companies are more reactive than proactive when it comes to decertifying cards. Which is why the altered card database exists. It’s not perfect, but it is easy and free to use.

If by "tried to have a conversation with you" you mean you dodged all my questions like you did again here, then yes, you "tried to have a conversation". So I guess I'll extend you the same courtesy.

I see you're back to making shit up though. At no point did I ever try to get you banned. But just run with that since facts don't matter to you.

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

If by "tried to have a conversation with you" you mean you dodged all my questions like you did again here, then yes, you "tried to have a conversation". So I guess I'll extend you the same courtesy.

I see you're back to making shit up though. At no point did I ever try to get you banned. But just run with that since facts don't matter to you.

I have never made anything up. You can go back and read all the posts. Let’s try this again by starting with this 1952 Jackie Robinson. Can we both agree that these are the same cards? What is the sticker design that you would like to add to the card?



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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

I have never made anything up. You can go back and read all the posts. Let’s try this again by starting with this 1952 Jackie Robinson. Can we both agree that these are the same cards? What is the sticker design that you would like to add to the card?

Now that's interesting. Why would someone crack out a PSA 3 only to resubmit and get a 3 again? And for the record, it wasn't me.

Also, I'm curious how you think the card got dirty again and how they restored the color? Do you think it was recolored too perhaps? How did the borders get dirty again while retaining the same cert number? This hobby sure is a mystery sometimes!

Also, NOT FOR SALE!

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[Snowman]

It also looks like it was even cleaned while still inside the original PSA 3 cert's slab (see first image comparison below). This is getting interesting now!

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[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

It almost makes me wonder if a less biased comparison might be the second image below?

The images I used all come from PSA. I doubt PSA is image bias.

Let’s stay focused on getting a sticker for this card.


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[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Now that's interesting. Why would someone crack out a PSA 3 only to resubmit and get a 3 again? And for the record, it wasn't me.

Also, I'm curious how you think the card got dirty again and how they restored the color? Do you think it was recolored too perhaps? How did the borders get dirty again while retaining the same cert number? This hobby sure is a mystery sometimes!

Also, NOT FOR SALE!

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It is currently for sale on eBay. I noticed the price went up from $30k to $100k. https://www.ebay.com/itm/26631786764...mis&media=COPY

Is that the added value from being added to the altered card database? Imagine how much more it will go up once we agree on a sticker for it!


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[Peter_Spaeth]

I am not following. So Travis bought it already cleaned?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

It is currently for sale on eBay. I noticed the price went up from $30k to $100k. https://www.ebay.com/itm/26631786764...mis&media=COPY

Is that the added value from being added to the altered card database? Imagine how much more it will go up once we agree on a sticker for it!

It's almost as if someone here has an agenda to make the card appear as though it has been chemically altered/bleached when it in fact has not. Look at the difference between your two images and the original listing image and how it actually looks currently. This card has not been altered. And not all cards listed on ebay are actually for sale. A lot of people list cards on ebay for Show & Tell and to bring buyers into their store or to start conversations.

Let's review how you arrived at these images and this very clear personal attack with your posting though (while simultaneously remaining anonymous by not posting your name along with your attacks - a clear forum violation that you are well aware of). First, you scowered through some ebay listings and found the card in its current holder looking like the image on the right below. Then you searched for prior sales of the card and found the image on the left below from a PWCC sale (again, not mine, as I did not buy it in that holder, but that's irrelevant). But using the original image from it's previous holder and the image from its current holder (both shown below) didn't fit your narrative. So you attempted to dig up worse images of the card that could paint it in a way that would better fit your agenda. So you dug up the PSA images (which you surely know are often completely blown out and almost never represent what any card actually looks like) and used those images as your before vs after comparisons to make the card appear as though it has been chemically bleached out (which it has not).

Again, who is the one being dishonest here? If you wonder why people don't care about your database it's because you put cards like this in it which have not been altered.

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