Final UPDATE. PSA Guarantee on a doctored card - Actual good news this time

TiffanyCards · #1 06-05-2024, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

If by "tried to have a conversation with you" you mean you dodged all my questions like you did again here, then yes, you "tried to have a conversation". So I guess I'll extend you the same courtesy.

I see you're back to making shit up though. At no point did I ever try to get you banned. But just run with that since facts don't matter to you.

I have never made anything up. You can go back and read all the posts. Let�s try this again by starting with this 1952 Jackie Robinson. Can we both agree that these are the same cards? What is the sticker design that you would like to add to the card?

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Snowman · #2 06-05-2024, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

I have never made anything up. You can go back and read all the posts. Let’s try this again by starting with this 1952 Jackie Robinson. Can we both agree that these are the same cards? What is the sticker design that you would like to add to the card?

Now that's interesting. Why would someone crack out a PSA 3 only to resubmit and get a 3 again? And for the record, it wasn't me.

Also, I'm curious how you think the card got dirty again and how they restored the color? Do you think it was recolored too perhaps? How did the borders get dirty again while retaining the same cert number? This hobby sure is a mystery sometimes!

Also, NOT FOR SALE!

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Snowman · #3 06-05-2024, 01:04 PM

It also looks like it was even cleaned while still inside the original PSA 3 cert's slab (see first image comparison below). This is getting interesting now!

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TiffanyCards · #4 06-05-2024, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

It almost makes me wonder if a less biased comparison might be the second image below?

The images I used all come from PSA. I doubt PSA is image bias.

Let�s stay focused on getting a sticker for this card.

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Snowman · #5 06-05-2024, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

The images I used all come from PSA. I doubt PSA is image bias.

Another lie. You know damn well that PSA's images are garbage. Admit it, you first saw the images from the bottom row of my comparison collage above (the images which accurately represent the card), but those weren't good enough for you, so you went to the PSA website to see if you could dig up some worse images that might better fit your narrative.

G1911 · #6 06-05-2024, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Another lie. You know damn well that PSA's images are garbage. Admit it, you first saw the images from the bottom row of my comparison collage above (the images which accurately represent the card), but those weren't good enough for you, so you went to the PSA website to see if you could dig up some worse images that might better fit your narrative.

It would help your case and credibility if you would stop blatantly lying about things that do not even matter, like having the card for sale. When you just openly lie in ways that are really, really easy to prove in 10 seconds about things that don't even matter, it is impossible to seem honest or take any accusations of dishonesty you make about anyone else seriously. You are the poster child for dishonesty and lying when you keep provably lying all the damn time lol.

Snowman · #7 06-05-2024, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

It would help your case and credibility if you would stop blatantly lying about things that do not even matter, like having the card for sale. When you just openly lie in ways that are really, really easy to prove in 10 seconds about things that don't even matter, it is impossible to seem honest or take any accusations of dishonesty you make about anyone else seriously. You are the poster child for dishonesty and lying when you keep provably lying all the damn time lol.

The card is listed on ebay for many multiples of what it is worth. Nobody is going to pay the listed price for it, nor the previously listed price, nor anything remotely near it. I have zero intentions of selling it. It is there for show & tell. It might be my favorite card in my entire collection. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. PSA 3s go for between $6k to $10k. This one was listed for $30k which I changed to $100k in case there was any confusion about it actually being "for sale". It's listed on ebay, yet it is not "for sale". If you can't understand that concept, then I don't know what to tell you.

TiffanyCards · #8 06-05-2024, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Another lie. You know damn well that PSA's images are garbage. Admit it, you first saw the images from the bottom row of my comparison collage above (the images which accurately represent the card), but those weren't good enough for you, so you went to the PSA website to see if you could dig up some worse images that might better fit your narrative.

I�m not sure what you are even talking about. You seem to be flailing all over the place. When would I have seen your image collage?? At least we agree that they are in fact the same card. If you want, then I would be happy to discuss the differences I pointed out in the images with you. In not a single post did I mention anything about bleaching. Who is attacking you or manipulating images?? I never said this was your card.

Even if we use your images from your collage, you can clearly see the stain on the top right border is no longer present on the cert 76513639. Where did the stain go??? The stain has been removed. Which is why this card was added to the altered card database.

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Snowman · #9 06-05-2024, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

I�m not sure what you are even talking about. You seem to be flailing all over the place. When would I have seen your image collage?? At least we agree that they are in fact the same card. If you want, then I would be happy to discuss the differences I pointed out in the images with you. In not a single post did I mention anything about bleaching. Who is attacking you or manipulating images?? I never said this was your card.

Even if we use your images from your collage, you can clearly see the stain on the top right border is no longer present on the cert 76513639. Where did the stain go??? The stain has been removed. Which is why this card was added to the altered card database.

Here you go again with your disingenuous deceptive bullshit. Just admit that you intentionally chose the washed-out-looking PSA scan and the dirty looking prior PSA scan instead of the PWCC scan because they were a better fit for your agenda and it make it appear as though the card has been chemically bleached when it in fact has not.

Snowman · #10 06-05-2024, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Let�s stay focused on getting a sticker for this card.

I've asked you 4 times if I have your permission to put stickers on cards with your logo. You dodged the question all 4 times. This is the last time I'll ask. Do I have your permission to put stickers on cards using your logo?

TiffanyCards · #11 06-05-2024, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

I've asked you 4 times if I have your permission to put stickers on cards with your logo. You dodged the question all 4 times. This is the last time I'll ask. Do I have your permission to put stickers on cards using your logo?

Let�s start with the Jackie listed on eBay. Put your mock design sticker on it. If I approve, then I will give you permission to use it on your other cards. I won�t even charge you a royalty.

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TiffanyCards · #12 06-05-2024, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Now that's interesting. Why would someone crack out a PSA 3 only to resubmit and get a 3 again? And for the record, it wasn't me.

Also, I'm curious how you think the card got dirty again and how they restored the color? Do you think it was recolored too perhaps? How did the borders get dirty again while retaining the same cert number? This hobby sure is a mystery sometimes!

Also, NOT FOR SALE!

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It is currently for sale on eBay. I noticed the price went up from $30k to $100k. https://www.ebay.com/itm/26631786764...mis&media=COPY

Is that the added value from being added to the altered card database? Imagine how much more it will go up once we agree on a sticker for it!

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Peter_Spaeth · #13 06-05-2024, 01:21 PM

I am not following. So Travis bought it already cleaned?

Snowman · #14 06-05-2024, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am not following. So Travis bought it already cleaned?

Yes, that is correct. And I love it. It's not for sale and probably never will be until I perish.

G1911 · #15 06-05-2024, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, that is correct. And I love it. It's not for sale and probably never will be until I perish.

I will never cease to be amazed at just how brazenly and obviously you lie lol. It is absolutely hilarious.

G1911 · #16 06-05-2024, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, that is correct. And I love it. It's not for sale and probably never will be until I perish.

If you cannot understand the titanic gulf between this statement and actively having it for sale, I don't know what to tell you except you should not be calling anyone else dishonest.

You have an audience here who mostly loves fraudsters (check out how many of them get pissed off the moment anyone criticizes convicted fraudsters who run auction houses!). If you'd just stop blatantly lying all the time you'd get so much support for your schtick. In this one single thread you have accused people of using false names for literally using their actual name and claimed you would never put a card up for sale that is actively and publicly listed for sale. Just stop lying, it is not hard lol

TiffanyCards · #17 06-06-2024, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am not following. So Travis bought it already cleaned?

From what I can tell on this thread is that the card was bought by someone as a PSA 3. They cracked and cleaned it to a PSA 2.5. Travis cracked it, did nothing to it and it came back a PSA 3 again.

Travis could shed more light on it, but he doesn�t seem willing to. I think he is just too busy working on the mock up sticker to place on his slab. Unfortunately, it doesn�t seem like he can complete the sticker until after he finishes loading the altered card database on his computer� It going on 48 hours and it�s still loading�

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Republicaninmass · #18 06-06-2024, 03:27 PM

Guessing it has some wrinkles that wouldn't come out/or be seen in the scan.

Snowman · #19 06-06-2024, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Guessing it has some wrinkles that wouldn't come out/or be seen in the scan.

It never had any creases or wrinkles on it.

JeremyW · #20 06-06-2024, 04:51 PM

Travis will never admit to being wrong. He still owes me $10K. I wasn't willing to bet a testicle.

Snowman · #21 06-06-2024, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

Travis could shed more light on it, but he doesn’t seem willing to. I think he is just too busy working on the mock up sticker to place on his slab. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like he can complete the sticker until after he finishes loading the altered card database on his computer… It going on 48 hours and it’s still loading…

The reason I don't give you more information is because I think you're a s***bag of a human who runs around trying to get anyone canceled who doesn't see things the same way as you. I also think you're dishonest with your postings. You intentionally select images to create a false narrative and even doctor images to make cards appear as though something has been done to them which hasn't actually been done. I also think you're disingenuous in all of your conversations, pretending as though you didn't say things which you've clearly implied, etc. All the while, trying to hide behind your anonymous keyboard. I think you're about as close to scum of the earth as they come.

G1911 · #22 06-06-2024, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

The reason I don't give you more information is because I think you're a s***bag of a human who runs around trying to get anyone canceled who doesn't see things the same way as you. I also think you're dishonest with your postings. You intentionally select images to create a false narrative and even doctor images to make cards appear as though something has been done to them which hasn't actually been done. I also think you're disingenuous in all of your conversations, pretending as though you didn't say things which you've clearly implied, etc. All the while, trying to hide behind your anonymous keyboard. I think you're about as close to scum of the earth as they come.

The fraud guy on record blatantly lying throughout this thread should definitely be the judge of character and honesty.

Can't wait to see this sticker.

TiffanyCards · #23 06-06-2024, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

The reason I don't give you more information is because I think you're a s***bag of a human who runs around trying to get anyone canceled who doesn't see things the same way as you. I also think you're dishonest with your postings. You intentionally select images to create a false narrative and even doctor images to make cards appear as though something has been done to them which hasn't actually been done. I also think you're disingenuous in all of your conversations, pretending as though you didn't say things which you've clearly implied, etc. All the while, trying to hide behind your anonymous keyboard. I think you're about as close to scum of the earth as they come.

It seems obvious that this collaboration isn�t going to work out. It�s unfortunate that it has resorted to name calling and misinformation. I wish you nothing but the best for yourself and your collection. This will be my last response. Take care.

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Snowman · #24 06-06-2024, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

From what I can tell on this thread is that the card was bought by someone as a PSA 3. They cracked and cleaned it to a PSA 2.5. Travis cracked it, did nothing to it and it came back a PSA 3 again.

Travis could shed more light on it, but he doesn�t seem willing to. I think he is just too busy working on the mock up sticker to place on his slab. Unfortunately, it doesn�t seem like he can complete the sticker until after he finishes loading the altered card database on his computer� It going on 48 hours and it�s still loading�

Your database says it's still loading. I'll let you know when it's done. Unless, of course, that's a feature, not a bug.

Here you go, princess! Have a blast.

NOT FOR SALE

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G1911 · #25 06-06-2024, 05:03 PM

If the database takes 48 hours and still hasn't loaded yet, one may want to make sure their router is plugged in.

Snowman · #26 06-05-2024, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

It is currently for sale on eBay. I noticed the price went up from $30k to $100k. https://www.ebay.com/itm/26631786764...mis&media=COPY

Is that the added value from being added to the altered card database? Imagine how much more it will go up once we agree on a sticker for it!

It's almost as if someone here has an agenda to make the card appear as though it has been chemically altered/bleached when it in fact has not. Look at the difference between your two images and the original listing image and how it actually looks currently. This card has not been altered. And not all cards listed on ebay are actually for sale. A lot of people list cards on ebay for Show & Tell and to bring buyers into their store or to start conversations.

Let's review how you arrived at these images and this very clear personal attack with your posting though (while simultaneously remaining anonymous by not posting your name along with your attacks - a clear forum violation that you are well aware of). First, you scowered through some ebay listings and found the card in its current holder looking like the image on the right below. Then you searched for prior sales of the card and found the image on the left below from a PWCC sale (again, not mine, as I did not buy it in that holder, but that's irrelevant). But using the original image from it's previous holder and the image from its current holder (both shown below) didn't fit your narrative. So you attempted to dig up worse images of the card that could paint it in a way that would better fit your agenda. So you dug up the PSA images (which you surely know are often completely blown out and almost never represent what any card actually looks like) and used those images as your before vs after comparisons to make the card appear as though it has been chemically bleached out (which it has not).

Again, who is the one being dishonest here? If you wonder why people don't care about your database it's because you put cards like this in it which have not been altered.

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G1911 · #27 06-05-2024, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Again, who is the one being dishonest here?

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The fraud guy who just lied yet again and said it was not for sale while he actively has it up for sale vs. the guy who has a track record of trying to actually do something to help the dirtiness of this hobby. Man, this is a tough one to decide

Snowman · #28 06-05-2024, 01:42 PM

Again, for comparison so you can see them all side-by-side, the bottom row shows how this card actually looks/looked in both holders. The top row shows the cherry-picked/manipulated images used by the anonymous miss Tiffany to attack a forum member and make it appear as though the card had been chemically bleached out when it in fact has not been.

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