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[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Tabe

I'm not saying Grich wasn't very good or whatever. I'm saying his resume is inflated because his contemporaries were terrible.

Exactly. That's what I'm getting out of all of this as well. I know I'll be corrected if my interpretation is wrong, but a formula that offers a larger statistical reward based on the incompetence of his peers at the same position is not one that I would ever fully recognize. "Everyone else stinks, so by default you're awesome"?!

[John1941]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Exactly. I know I'll be corrected if my interpretation is wrong, but a formula that offers a larger statistical reward based on the incompetence of his peers at the same position is not one that I would ever fully recognize. "Everyone else stinks, so by default you're awesome"?! That's rich. If it works for you, wonderful.

I don't think your interpretation is wrong, but the differences in statistical reward or demerit are typically very small across eras.

The only cases I know of where there are substantial differences - like how in the 1910s WAR rates 2b as a perfectly neutral position, offensively - is where the position as a whole has actually changed: second base became more of a fielder's position starting around 1925 or so. In which case the difference isn't due to second baseman becoming worse hitters but to a strategic shift.

[Beercan collector]

Bobby Grich Just isn’t a Hall of Fameish sounding name - if he was Bill Grande or Sonny Maverick - He’d probably be in

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Bobby Grich Just isn’t a Hall of Fameish sounding name - if he was Bill Grande or Sonny Maverick - He’d probably be in

Something with more gravitas like Alexander Grich, or more flair like Diego Grich.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Something with more gravitas like Alexander Grich, or more flair like Diego Grich.

ooh or a nickname - “ Hall Of Famer Bobby The Grich ! “

[Peter_Spaeth]

Weren't Morgan and Carew contemporaries of Grich? So that's two of the top ten of all time.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Weren't Morgan and Carew contemporaries of Grich? So that's two of the top ten of all time.

Not only were Morgan and Carew contemporaries of Grich, they also had really strong years as 2nd basemen in 1973. They both finished 4th in their respective leagues in MVP voting, and Morgan may have deserved to win.

I guess Tabe missed out on that fact. Or does he think Morgan and Carew were "terrible"?