Poll Should GA disclose that the PSA 6.5 and SGC MIN SIZE Dimaggios are same card?

[Peter_Spaeth]

But for every shorter card, there is not (no longer) a larger one.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

But for every shorter card, there is not (no longer) a larger one.

Ok, that's true. Also, not every shorter card is trimmed. How about that?

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[conor912]

Every single grade on every single card ever slabbed is an opinion, and nothing more.

[Lorewalker]

It feels to me on both of the threads that pertain to this card that a majority of people are not really understanding the Min Size assessment and what a moving target it is with the grading services. Good news is that you are still qualified to work for Goldin Auctions to do description write ups.

That aside, it is nice to see at least two people who have acknowledged the potential harm on the final price paid due to the write up that suggested the card was possibly trimmed.

I decided to look up what an Auth example should sell for and found this:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...50062-05112023 At least Heritage understands the world of grading and the terminology.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The Heritage one sold for LESS than the Goldin one.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The Heritage one sold for LESS than the Goldin one.

Yes. My posts about the consignor possibly getting less for the card due to the flagrant error of the description writer was prior to my looking in VCP for other sales of Auth examples. And it just so happened that this one has a prior sale. The write up did not have an impact at all because the person who bought it knows what Min Size means and the implications. And that person is having a pay day.

As for whether the card is trimmed or not...once again...hard to know for sure based on the scans. Something looks off but does not mean it is trimmed.

[ullmandds]

i stand by the "opinion" that this dimaggio was trimmed. just look at the top and bottom edges/corners as compared to other 36 goudeys...I mean WWG's!!!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i stand by the "opinion" that this dimaggio was trimmed. just look at the top and bottom edges/corners as compared to other 36 goudeys...I mean WWG's!!!!

The PSA flip may mean as little as the SGC one.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i stand by the "opinion" that this dimaggio was trimmed. just look at the top and bottom edges/corners as compared to other 36 goudeys...I mean WWG's!!!!

So you are of the opinion that someone who was willing to trim this card, and who possessed the skills necessary to fool both SGC and PSA into believing it had not been trimmed would also choose to leave that giant left border in tact? Really?

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by conor912

Every single grade on every single card ever slabbed is an opinion, and nothing more.

I disagree in part. If a card has been altered, it has been altered. That is a fact. If a grader says so he is either correct or incorrect-- about a fact. He can explain why he makes that statement of fact, but the bottom line is he is right or wrong. This is different than assigning a subjective overall numeric grade based on ostensibly objective criteria that tends to vary over time.
So if a card is slabbed authentic/altered, that is a statement of fact, correct or erroneous. If you knew you were buying a card that had been rejected previously as altered or graded as such, would you want to know that and/or do you think the market places any importance on that fact? I believe those are rhetorical questions. You can discount or disregard altogether the prior grader's determination of alteration, but you should be made aware of it nonetheless.

IMO, a similar argument follows this notion of minimum size not met, although as I stated earlier, the whole concept of such a grade should require a clear set of parameters as to what minimum size is allowed. The card is measured, and you can disagree that the measurement was done correctly or that the finding of the stated size is not outside what you believe to be the "minimum" size. Argue all you want that the graders get measurements wrong-- it measures what it measures, and you can measure it yourself once its yours. You can also cling to some notion that the card should be allowed a greater variance than what the grading company allows so that the measurement is fine by you, and in doing so, form your own beliefs on how and when you are willing to rely on that grading company. However, these are not opinions that a card should be graded a 3, 5 or 7 because of various attributes or defects that might be of different importance to different people. Rather they are simply statements that the card measures X, and the minimum size in our professional experience is Y. Disregard or qualify it as you wish, but know that someone made a statement of objective fact, whether right or wrong, and not opinion.