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Old 05-22-2025, 01:24 PM
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I guess, except for the fact that all of this is fraud, pure and simple. Have you contacted the FBI and Operation Bullpen? I hope so, and I hope the perps go to jail to set an example arid rid the hobby of this kind of illegal behavior forever.
Don't know where you've been my friend, but there was a years long investigation by the FBI. It was discussed on this forum ad nauseum.
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Don't know where you've been my friend, but there was a years long investigation by the FBI. It was discussed on this forum ad nauseum.
It seemed like decades long...

Hank my friend, are you going to be at the National this year?
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Dumb question (perhaps): is 4SC referring to 4 Sharp Corners? If so, I thought they were just a consignor of cards that are already graded. Do they offer bulk grading too?
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Dumb question (perhaps): is 4SC referring to 4 Sharp Corners? If so, I thought they were just a consignor of cards that are already graded. Do they offer bulk grading too?
4SC is definitely 4 sharp corners. No different than any other dealer, I think they buy raw cards and get them graded, then sell them once graded. Pretty sure they also buy existing graded cards and then re-sell them.
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Dumb question (perhaps): is 4SC referring to 4 Sharp Corners? If so, I thought they were just a consignor of cards that are already graded. Do they offer bulk grading too?
Yes. They do take consignments for a while now but historically and for the most part sell their own and always have. Mega submitter for a long long time.
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Old 05-22-2025, 02:22 PM
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Thanks for the information. I only came across them recently as an Ebay consignor and was unaware of their history.
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Old 05-22-2025, 02:30 PM
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2.2 million items sold, according to ebay. Not to mention countless sales off their still active website.
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It seemed like decades long...
Hank my friend, are you going to be at the National this year?
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Pretty serious allegations with little to back them up, seems to me. What do you think? As for the National, as the song goes, I don't get around much any more, sorry to say. Just embarked on my 80th year, bring it to D.C., Baltimore, or Philly, though, and I'm there in a heartbeat. You going?
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Pretty serious allegations with little to back them up, seems to me. What do you think? As for the National, as the song goes, I don't get around much any more, sorry to say. Just embarked on my 80th year, bring it to D.C., Baltimore, or Philly, though, and I'm there in a heartbeat. You going?
Great song. Here's a Duke Ellington instrumental version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEIhNZd9xEE
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Great song. Here's a Duke Ellington instrumental version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEIhNZd9xEE
Nice. I remember it well from my youth, a "standard" as they would say.
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Don't know where you've been my friend, but there was a years long investigation by the FBI. It was discussed on this forum ad nauseum.
LOL! Well someone earlier on this thread had no idea that the T206 Wagner 8 was trimmed. Not sure if that means two people here are not dialed in 24/7 to the hobby or if they are not paying attention.
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The worst possible scenario would be someone who's real tight with at least 1 of the graders, who then gives their vintage cards 8's, 9's or even a 10 knowing they're overgrading, for a cut of the profits.
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The worst possible scenario would be someone who's real tight with at least 1 of the graders, who then gives their vintage cards 8's, 9's or even a 10 knowing they're overgrading, for a cut of the profits.
That's called fraud, and they could both do some serious time for it. If you see something, say something. What have you got?
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I don’t have solid proof without whistleblowers, however there is certainly enough circumstantial smoke to lean toward preferential grading for premier newsworthy items and mass submitters. The amount of high grades on borderline cards from places like 4 Sharp certainly raises some curiosity. I’ll play it safe on my statements, but I would say to make your own observations.
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I don't believe. I just can't believe it. Can you provide evidence or some kind of proof to your assertion?
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Don't know where you've been my friend, but there was a years long investigation by the FBI. It was discussed on this forum ad nauseum.
I'm well aware of Operation Bullpen, that's why I mentioned it. But I must have missed the part where they looked into card grading and possible fraud between the TPGs and dealers and AHs. What was the result, did they find everything you're talking about and did people go to jail for it?
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