Hey, pennant guys

ser1979 · #1 05-30-2025, 01:53 PM

Anyone have any tricks or tips on how to get ink pen off a pennant?

ooo-ribay · #2 05-30-2025, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ser1979

Anyone have any tricks or tips on how to get ink pen off a pennant?

I would try a bleach pen.

Fballguy · #3 05-30-2025, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ser1979

Anyone have any tricks or tips on how to get ink pen off a pennant?

IMO...Your best bet would be to paint over it. Any attempt to erase or remove will likly make it look worse. You can get some fine tip brushes and antique white paint. Even if the white isn't perfect, it would look better than pen.

Domer05 · #4 05-30-2025, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

IMO...Your best bet would be to paint over it. Any attempt to erase or remove will likly make it look worse. You can get some fine tip brushes and antique white paint. Even if the white isn't perfect, it would look better than pen.

Yup, here too, I'm in agreement with Rob. Painting over it may just be your best bet.

I bought this 1959 WS champs pennant a few weeks ago. A previous owner (perhaps the 9-year-old kid that took it home from the Coliseum in 1960) doctored the artwork by outlining the stadium in black marker (and, enhancing three other secondary colors).

I tried to remove the black ink by rubbing a Q-tip soaked in rubbing alcohol over the black ink, which sat entirely atop the white underbase that Trench screened on to the pennant. Results were mixed. Yes, it gradually removed some of the black ink; and, it did not harm the white underbase at all. Problem was the red dye that the felt was made of: it had become very unstable over the years, and the alcohol was causing more of its removal than the black ink. So I quit.

And turned to Plan "B." Sharpie makes a product called a "paint pen." And, they sell one in white. It's basically a felt-tipped marker that permits a heavy paint (not ink) dispersion. The paint is oil based, which means it's opaque enough to mask the black ink I was trying to cover. At the same time, the paint wasn't so thin that it ran all over the place, ruining the art.

This was what I used: https://www.amazon.com/Sharpie-Oil-B...IMS99GTX&gQT=1

After four coats, leaving 20 minutes of drying time between applications, I was very pleased with the result....

Anyway, try the rubbing alcohol method first. It can't hurt the white underbase. If it works, awesome. If not, consider the paint pen method?

Fballguy · #5 05-31-2025, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

After four coats, leaving 20 minutes of drying time between applications, I was very pleased with the result....

Anyway, try the rubbing alcohol method first. It can't hurt the white underbase. If it works, awesome. If not, consider the paint pen method?

Nice job Kyle! If only it was as easy as Photoshop.

ooo-ribay · #6 06-20-2025, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Yup, here too, I'm in agreement with Rob. Painting over it may just be your best bet.

I bought this 1959 WS champs pennant a few weeks ago. A previous owner (perhaps the 9-year-old kid that took it home from the Coliseum in 1960) doctored the artwork by outlining the stadium in black marker (and, enhancing three other secondary colors).

I tried to remove the black ink by rubbing a Q-tip soaked in rubbing alcohol over the black ink, which sat entirely atop the white underbase that Trench screened on to the pennant. Results were mixed. Yes, it gradually removed some of the black ink; and, it did not harm the white underbase at all. Problem was the red dye that the felt was made of: it had become very unstable over the years, and the alcohol was causing more of its removal than the black ink. So I quit.

And turned to Plan "B." Sharpie makes a product called a "paint pen." And, they sell one in white. It's basically a felt-tipped marker that permits a heavy paint (not ink) dispersion. The paint is oil based, which means it's opaque enough to mask the black ink I was trying to cover. At the same time, the paint wasn't so thin that it ran all over the place, ruining the art.

This was what I used: https://www.amazon.com/Sharpie-Oil-B...IMS99GTX&gQT=1

After four coats, leaving 20 minutes of drying time between applications, I was very pleased with the result....

Anyway, try the rubbing alcohol method first. It can't hurt the white underbase. If it works, awesome. If not, consider the paint pen method?

Amazing work but I gotta figure perezfan broke into a sweat when seeing your efforts.

Domer05 · #7 06-22-2025, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Amazing work but I gotta figure perezfan broke into a sweat when seeing your efforts.

He needn't worry. It's now part of my permanent collection.

I only modified it because it had previously been doctored; and, I couldn't remove the prior owner's alterations. Painting over them was the only option; and the goal was simply to make it display-able again.

Regardless, it's re-sale value is nil. And I intend to keep it that way: it's now on permanent display in my garage. With two tacks in it. Just as it's maker intended.

ooo-ribay · #8 06-23-2025, 06:07 AM

Very good points, Kyle. Two (perezfan) negatives equal a positive.

Just two tacks?

thetahat · #9 06-28-2025, 08:53 AM

I�d post this under �Hey, pillowcase guys� but this has enough in common with pennants � in fact it seems as if Trench made this. The lettering in �Souvenir� is the sign, and of course the stadium graphic. 20� by 20�.

Any Indians collectors know anything more about these? A search reveals a few different colored versions, including one with pink fringe. Some like mine have a Browns pennant graphic (bottom left), dating to no later than 1953; have seen one with an Orioles pennant.

ooo-ribay · #10 05-31-2025, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

IMO...Your best bet would be to paint over it. Any attempt to erase or remove will likly make it look worse. You can get some fine tip brushes and antique white paint. Even if the white isn't perfect, it would look better than pen.

You convinced me. Strike my bleach pen idea from the record.

Fballguy · #11 05-30-2025, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ser1979

Anyone have any tricks or tips on how to get ink pen off a pennant?

IMO...Your best bet would be to paint over it. Any attempt to erase or remove will likely make it look worse. You can get some fine tip brushes and antique white paint. Even if the white isn't perfect, it would look better than pen.

UKCardGuy · #12 05-30-2025, 06:39 PM

Well, we seem to be on a real Tigers run on this thread lately. Here's another one that just arrived today.

The spine looks a bit wonky. I'm not sure if it's just poor quality control at the manufacturer or if sone's tried to reapply it. It's a fairly scarce pennant so there's not too many photos that I can compare it against.

I'd welcome you're thoughts?

Fballguy · #13 05-30-2025, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Well, we seem to be on a real Tigers run on this thread lately. Here's another one that just arrived today.

The spine looks a bit wonky. I'm not sure if it's just poor quality control at the manufacturer or if sone's tried to reapply it. It's a fairly scarce pennant so there's not too many photos that I can compare it against.

I'd welcome you're thoughts?

With pennants it's hard to say. They're largely uncharted territory (except for feltfootball.com, the largest pennant gallery in the known universe and, of course, pennantfever.weebly.com the ultimate encyclopedia of pennant history).

The most prominent auction houses in the industry know basically jack sh*t about them, are regularly fooled by repros and act as if they're "little boy" every time they're confronted with the impossible mission of shipping one.

As Kyle has shown, there have been a littany of producers with varying degrees of artistic talent and quality control.

So...IMO...Anyone that says with certainty that your spine is fubar is likely FOS themselves.

It does look funky...wavy...and not Louvre ready. But...

Who cares?

It's a rare, beautiful pennant.

Again...Just IMO.

Domer05 · #14 05-30-2025, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Well, we seem to be on a real Tigers run on this thread lately. Here's another one that just arrived today.

The spine looks a bit wonky. I'm not sure if it's just poor quality control at the manufacturer or if sone's tried to reapply it. It's a fairly scarce pennant so there's not too many photos that I can compare it against.

I'd welcome you're thoughts?

A agree with Rob. It's more likely this was just the result of poor quality control than some modern attempt to doctor the spine, or replace it.

It's also a cool design. Enjoy it!

thetahat · #15 05-31-2025, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Well, we seem to be on a real Tigers run on this thread lately. Here's another one that just arrived today.

The spine looks a bit wonky. I'm not sure if it's just poor quality control at the manufacturer or if sone's tried to reapply it. It's a fairly scarce pennant so there's not too many photos that I can compare it against.

I'd welcome you're thoughts?

It looks legit to me. But generally speaking, hold up to a light and look for pre-existing stitch holes. Easiest way to tell if your pennant has been re-spined. I think you will find yours is okay. Something to look out for in Trench pennants since bugs and/or moths tend to enjoy their spines.

UKCardGuy · #16 05-31-2025, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by thetahat

It looks legit to me. But generally speaking, hold up to a light and look for pre-existing stitch holes. Easiest way to tell if your pennant has been re-spined. I think you will find yours is okay. Something to look out for in Trench pennants since bugs and/or moths tend to enjoy their spines.

Thanks guys. No pre-existing stitch hole, so it's just sloppy manufacturing. Not sure who made these but I really like the design.

ser1979 · #17 06-02-2025, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Well, we seem to be on a real Tigers run on this thread lately. Here's another one that just arrived today.

The spine looks a bit wonky. I'm not sure if it's just poor quality control at the manufacturer or if sone's tried to reapply it. It's a fairly scarce pennant so there's not too many photos that I can compare it against.

I'd welcome you're thoughts?

Gary,

Love the pennant, I own the green version and yours is the first one I've seen surface in several years. Unfortunately, mine has the year wrote on it by whoever previously owned it. As far as the spine goes, I would agree with everyone else and say it just poor quality and the pennant is 100% legit.

bocca001 · #18 06-03-2025, 10:25 PM

Someone posted this in a Houston Colt 45s/Astros Facebook group and I thought I'd share it here. Concession stand at a Colt 45s game. Image quality is not the best, but cool that it is in color. This guy has a ton of pennants. I think the post said it was from 1963.

ooo-ribay · #19 06-04-2025, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001

Someone posted this in a Houston Colt 45s/Astros Facebook group and I thought I'd share it here. Concession stand at a Colt 45s game. Image quality is not the best, but cool that it is in color. This guy has a ton of pennants. I think the post said it was from 1963.

If the upside down Giants pennant is a distress signal, they could use it now.

Domer05 · #20 06-04-2025, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bocca001

Someone posted this in a Houston Colt 45s/Astros Facebook group and I thought I'd share it here. Concession stand at a Colt 45s game. Image quality is not the best, but cool that it is in color. This guy has a ton of pennants. I think the post said it was from 1963.

Great photo. So this was pre-Astrodome? Colt .45 Stadium, I think it was called?

Are the arrows pointing to a Colt .45s Ladies Apron?

bocca001 · #21 06-04-2025, 01:56 PM

I'm guessing the arrows were added digitally by a collector to point something out to another collector. Not sure if the guy who posted it has an unadulterated original. We were just talking about a dodgers collector who was trying to get everything listed in team catalogs. I guess a photo like this can help to serve the same purpose.

thetahat · #22 06-04-2025, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Great photo. So this was pre-Astrodome? Colt .45 Stadium, I think it was called?

Are the arrows pointing to a Colt .45s Ladies Apron?

The navy blue Colts pennant is a toughie to find in good condition �

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