If You Collect Scorecards or Programs, Show 'em Here!

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Picked this up on ebay last week for $25.84 including CA tax and postage.

Congratulations, Doug! I'd been dreaming of stumbling upon that game's scorecard for quite awhile and adding it to my collection at a bargain basement price! Amazing find!

[jp2]

1954 Montreal Royals Scorecard, Roberto Clemente on that team


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[Rickyy]

I posted this on the March Pick Up thread.

Wanted this one for awhile.

1971 NLCS program Pirates vs Giants...at Candlestick tough piece.

Game 1 Giants short lived glory.

Ricky Y

[roarfrom34]

I've had this on my eBay watch list for a few years but finally was able to obtain the program from when Cal Ripken Jr. hit for the cycle on May 6, 1984

[bigfanNY]

Picked up 3 Basketball programs. All of them were from the collection of Artis Gilmore. With the 1970 NCAA final 4 program being the nicest.

[egri]

I picked up these two last December. I came across the 1947 scorecard first, signed by Mel Parnell, Tex Aulds, and Jake Jones. I figured it was worth checking to see if Aulds or Jones were difficult signatures. The Wikipedia page for Jones was subtitled "World War II flying ace". He was credited with 7.5 kills in the Pacific, and had recieved the Silver Star.

The following day, I picked up the 1946 scorecard, signed by Bert Shepard. Shepard was a P-38 pilot who was shot down over Germany. He survived the crash but lost a leg, which enabled him to be exchanged for a similarly-injured German POW. He got into one game with the 1945 Washington Senators, holding the Red Sox to three hits and one run across five innings.

[Cody77]

I don’t specifically try to collect scorecards unless the cover has a star player and/or is just really cool like this 1906 Giants scorecard from a game with Brooklyn and showcases the 1905 World Series champion Giants in a horse drawn carriage!

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Cody77

I don’t specifically try to collect scorecards unless the cover has a star player and/or is just really cool like this 1906 Giants scorecard from a game with Brooklyn and showcases the 1905 World Series champion Giants in a horse drawn carriage!

Looks like a Hooks Wiltse vs. Mal Eason pitching duel.
Very cool scorebook! Thanks for sharing!

[bigfanNY]

Great scorecard Cody!! Thanks for Sharing. The Scorecards from the NY Giants just after the Turn of the century all display well. Pictured are 2 from 1904 as you can see the player photos on the front rotated. The 1905 is from Opening day with Iron Man McGinnity on the mound. My 1906 is from 8/4/1906 Matty pitched and won vs the Cubs. And finally 1897 Giants. I love the cover ( despite a couple of stains) and the game was Giants vs the Spiders with Cy Young on the mound. ( he took the loss).

[parker1b2]

Found in an old filing cabinet a few years ago by my father, and given to me. His program from Reds vs Mets July 25, 1978 when Pete Rose hits safely in his 38th continuous game breaking the NL hitting streak record of 37 in a row by Tommy Holmes. Scored by my dad, even circling the hit Rose had in the 3rd to break the record.

[HankAaron755]

Question for the Forum - Can one state a significant event is attached to a program if it was not made for a specific game and time, but rather a series?

Example - In the 1970s and 80s, clubs put out programs for series against specific team(s). Let's say a significant event happened in that series such as a 500th Home Run or MLB Debut happened. Since the program was not for that particular game, but rather a 3 game series, is it ethical to state it's attached to the milestone game? Thinking of programs that have their internal scorecards blank rather then filled out at the time of the specific game.

Not sure what the industry norm is, so would like to know your feedback.

[Swadewade51]

Originally Posted by HankAaron755

Question for the Forum - Can one state a significant event is attached to a program if it was not made for a specific game and time, but rather a series?

Example - In the 1970s and 80s, clubs put out programs for series against specific team(s). Let's say a significant event happened in that series such as a 500th Home Run or MLB Debut happened. Since the program was not for that particular game, but rather a 3 game series, is it ethical to state it's attached to the milestone game? Thinking of programs that have their internal scorecards blank rather then filled out at the time of the specific game.

Not sure what the industry norm is, so would like to know your feedback.

Conflating the value of an unscored program because it *could* be attached to an event is a bit weird. I usually just roll my eyes when I see a 48 World Series Indians program with "Doby HR" in the listing title and it's not scored. That feels a bit grifty to me but everyone has different threshold for that sort of thing.

That's all personal feelings though.

There is no industry standard and you can do what you want. If tying it to the series is the best you can do,just list it as such.

[bigfanNY]

Having collected scorecards for a bit. Unscored programs that "COULD BE" from a milestone game are treated very differently by the marketplace. Scored programs sell for a significant premium over Unscored..."Could be" versions. That said if a program itself is scarce and on alot of wantlists once and awhile a couple of collectors fighting it out in an auction happens.

[HankAaron755]

Originally Posted by Swadewade51

Conflating the value of an unscored program because it *could* be attached to an event is a bit weird. I usually just roll my eyes when I see a 48 World Series Indians program with "Doby HR" in the listing title and it's not scored. That feels a bit grifty to me but everyone has different threshold for that sort of thing.

That's all personal feelings though.

There is no industry standard and you can do what you want. If tying it to the series is the best you can do,just list it as such.

I think listing it as a series is my best bet. Have a handful of pieces I've collected over the years that fall under this category. I'll let the buyer decide if they want it, but not really within my moral compass to deceive someone if it's not plane as day tied to a significant event.

[jethrod3]

I started this thread a couple of years ago but have been negligent in posting lately. I will try to do better!

Here's a scorecard from Game #49 of Joe DiMaggio's hitting streak, where he was already in some rarefied air. The game only went 5 innings but luckily Joe D. got his hit in the first inning (he only saw 1 other at bat).

[HankAaron755]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

I started this thread a couple of years ago but have been negligent in posting lately. I will try to do better!

Here's a scorecard from Game #49 of Joe DiMaggio's hitting streak, where he was already in some rarefied air. The game only went 5 innings but luckily Joe D. got his hit in the first inning (he only saw 1 other at bat).

That’s pretty neat. I didn’t know this part of his hitting streak story. Would have been a tough pill to swallow to end the streak due to a shortened game.

[Schlesinj]

Not sure I posted this in this thread, here is the hit streak end. July 17, 1941.


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[67Rally]

What is so significant about a 1938 St. Louis Browns scorecard? Since I discovered Howard "Lefty" Mills, a lefthanded pitcher with a 15-30 record who appeared in 96 games from 1934-1940, I have been on a quest to acquire any scorecards from games in which he pitched.

The piece that I just landed is an absolute treasure and comes from his best season in the big leagues. On this July 31 game against the Red Sox, Mills faced future HoF enshrinees in Joe Cronin, Bobby Doerr and Jimmy Foxx. In the 10-2 victory, Mills allowed just four hits and walked a pair as he went the distance. Two of the four hits against him were by Jimmie Foxx who hit a solo homerun and a triple while scoring one run. Ben Chapman accounted for the other two hits which were both singles.

Foxx's homerun was his 29th, on his way to 50 (his only other 50+ HR season was in 1932 when he hammered out 58), for his 408th career longball. Foxx's triple was the 99th of his career and sixth one of the season.

For Mills, the victory was his fifth of the year and the sixth of his career. Next to his 1-0 shutout of the Yankees on June 18, this game was one of the finest of his career.

Why would anyone care about a 15-30 pitcher with a 6.06 career ERA? The answer for me is quite simple. Mills learned to play baseball in the Navy in 1931 and became a dominant pitcher by 1933 with scouts champing at the bit trying to get him out of the Navy to play in the majors. He was discharged in time for spring training in 1934 and even appeared in four games for the Browns before heading to the minors for some seasoning.

The odds were against me to find a scored card from one of his 96 games. To find one from one of his 48 career starts, let alone from one of his 15 wins was darned-near an impossibility. Of the 5,779 in attendance, how many kept score? How many of them kept their scorecards?

https://chevronsanddiamonds.wordpres...-scorecard.pdf

[HankAaron755]

Originally Posted by 67Rally

What is so significant about a 1938 St. Louis Browns scorecard? Since I discovered Howard "Lefty" Mills, a lefthanded pitcher with a 15-30 record who appeared in 96 games from 1934-1940, I have been on a quest to acquire any scorecards from games in which he pitched.

The piece that I just landed is an absolute treasure and comes from his best season in the big leagues. On this July 31 game against the Red Sox, Mills faced future HoF enshrinees in Joe Cronin, Bobby Doerr and Jimmy Foxx. In the 10-2 victory, Mills allowed just four hits and walked a pair as he went the distance. Two of the four hits against him were by Jimmie Foxx who hit a solo homerun and a triple while scoring one run. Ben Chapman accounted for the other two hits which were both singles.

Foxx's homerun was his 29th, on his way to 50 (his only other 50+ HR season was in 1932 when he hammered out 58), for his 408th career longball. Foxx's triple was the 99th of his career and sixth one of the season.

For Mills, the victory was his fifth of the year and the sixth of his career. Next to his 1-0 shutout of the Yankees on June 18, this game was one of the finest of his career.

Why would anyone care about a 15-30 pitcher with a 6.06 career ERA? The answer for me is quite simple. Mills learned to play baseball in the Navy in 1931 and became a dominant pitcher by 1933 with scouts champing at the bit trying to get him out of the Navy to play in the majors. He was discharged in time for spring training in 1934 and even appeared in four games for the Browns before heading to the minors for some seasoning.

The odds were against me to find a scored card from one of his 96 games. To find one from one of his 48 career starts, let alone from one of his 15 wins was darned-near an impossibility. Of the 5,779 in attendance, how many kept score? How many of them kept their scorecards?

https://chevronsanddiamonds.wordpres...-scorecard.pdf

Loved the story. Certainly a reason why people collect programs and tickets. Something tangible from a specific date in history.

How many more programs do you have to collect from Lefty Mills’ career?

[67Rally]

Good question. I have just one, so far. After all the years since I discovered Mills' Navy beginnings, this is the first. I did manage to land his Heilbroner card a few years ago.

I wrote Mills' SABR bio: https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/lefty-mills/

[Michael B]

I picked this up at the World Olympic Collectors Fair in Prague in June. Usually a pretty decent show for me as a seller. This one was my best ever for adding items to my collection and selling. Always nice to pay for part of the trip with sales. This time paid for two round trip business class tickets (wife and myself) on my favorite airline, plus all of my purchases. The selling and collecting mentality is also quite different. I got this program for €10 ($11+/-)

Unused program for the boxing tournament during the 1960 Olympics featuring all three U.S. gold medalists - Skeeter McClure, Eddie Crook and Cassius Clay.

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The only flaw is the staple holes at the lower ritght through the last 15 or so pages, plus the back cover.

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by HankAaron755

Loved the story. Certainly a reason why people collect programs and tickets. Something tangible from a specific date in history.

How many more programs do you have to collect from Lefty Mills’ career?

Exactly! One of the good reasons! Making that connection with a player.

Also, about your reply to my DiMaggio hitting streak scorecard, I had long since forgotten that he had that shortened game as well! I love uncovering tidbits of history when I go in and research some of these old scorecards!

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by Schlesinj

Not sure I posted this in this thread, here is the hit streak end. July 17, 1941.


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Nice! Important specimen that survived the years very well!

[bigfanNY]

Glad this thread is back ( or at least where I could find it) I posted this already but this is where it belongs. 1932 Newark Bears Old Timers Day. Hans Wagner Dave Bancroft Ed Walsh. Must have been a great afternoon of baseball.
1932 was also the year Newark won their first Junior WS. They are listed in the top 100 best Minor league teams of all time.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Glad this thread is back ( or at least where I could find it) I posted this already but this is where it belongs. 1932 Newark Bears Old Timers Day. Hans Wagner Dave Bancroft Ed Walsh. Must have been a great afternoon of baseball.
1932 was also the year Newark won their first Junior WS. They are listed in the top 100 best Minor league teams of all time.

More importantly, it has Net 54 legend Buck "Large Ass" Herzog as leadoff hitter and playing third base for the Leaguers.

[Joe Hunter]

July 15, 1948, Game 2 of a doubleheader between Cleveland and Philly. Satchel picked up his 1st MLB win in relief of Bob Lemon.

[HankAaron755]

Picked up this neat program tied to Bob Gibson’s 3rd MLB appearance. He pitched in the 8th inning of an 8-1 loss to the Giants on April 18th, 1959.

After this game he was sent down to the minors until he returned to the Majors on July 30th to record his first MLB win against the Reds.

[ramram]

Batting 5th and playing first base for Yale - George Bush

Rob M

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[gonefishin]

Recently picked up this Game 2 World Series program of the White Sox vs Dodgers. What really amazed me about this program is the ticket, letter from Bill Veek, and a newspaper scorecard filled out inside. The program scorecard has not been scored.

This program also educated me. I was unaware that White Sox tickets for the 59 Series were sold by lottery - a brainstorm of Mr. Veek's I'm assuming. I also didn't know there was a letter that accompanied the tickets to lucky person getting drawn to attend a game!

The program is in outstanding condition, except for where the ticket, letter and scorecard have been stapled to the program. Somone really loved this program and the whole experience.

Unfortunately, I'm not a White Sox fan.

Has anyone ever seen one of these letters before? Just curious.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by gonefishin

The program is in outstanding condition, except for where the ticket, letter and scorecard have been stapled to the program.

I would say it's in better than outstanding condition BECAUSE of all that stuff stapled inside.

Doug

[67Rally]

Originally Posted by gonefishin

Recently picked up this Game 2 World Series program of the White Sox vs Dodgers. What really amazed me about this program is the ticket, letter from Bill Veek, and a newspaper scorecard filled out inside. The program scorecard has not been scored.

This program also educated me. I was unaware that White Sox tickets for the 59 Series were sold by lottery - a brainstorm of Mr. Veek's I'm assuming. I also didn't know there was a letter that accompanied the tickets to lucky person getting drawn to attend a game!

The program is in outstanding condition, except for where the ticket, letter and scorecard have been stapled to the program. Somone really loved this program and the whole experience.

Unfortunately, I'm not a White Sox fan.

Has anyone ever seen one of these letters before? Just curious.

I haven't seen the letter before but I had heard about the lottery. I have a scored program from Game 1 in which Koufax made his postseason debut. In addition, I have the Game 4 program (also scored which was Drysdale's first postseason start and win.

Both programs are great fits for my WS collection that includes tickets for each of the 1959 World Series games. I would share photos but it looks like my account has been restricted from sharing any.

[67Rally]

Here are my 1959 WS tickets and the two Dodgers score grids from Game 1 (which was accompanied by the above Game 1 ticket) and Game 4.

[bigfanNY]

Picked this up from REA part of my Portland Maine collection. What made this interesting to me aside from the south Portland HS was the location of the store Beneth Prebble House. Pebbles are relatives. And Commodore Prebble Was Captain of the US Constitution.

[gonefishin]

Congrats Jonathan, nice pick up! What year is it, or can you tell? It looks like 1800s or maybe early 1900s.

[doug.goodman]

That's beautiful Jonathan

[bigfanNY]

Thank you Gentelman. I would guess scorecard is from the 1890's based on the illustration. I am gonna send a few Emails and see if I can narrow down the year using the names from the scorecard.

[Schlesinj]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

Nice! Important specimen that survived the years very well!

That is the inside of the DiMaggio.


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[doug.goodman]

In the age of Ohtani, here's the Yankee game of Oct 1, 1933, where a guy named Ruth hit career HR #686 and won career game #94 (his last).

[Bumpus Jones]

great stuff fellas. here's a couple deadball era beauties.

oh by the way, these will be available over in the b/s/t section shortly

[Bumpus Jones]

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[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

In the age of Ohtani, here's the Yankee game of Oct 1, 1933, where a guy named Ruth hit career HR #686 and won career game #94 (his last).

Very nice Scorecard Doug. One of those games it would have been great to be there.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by parker1b2

Found in an old filing cabinet a few years ago by my father, and given to me. His program from Reds vs Mets July 25, 1978 when Pete Rose hits safely in his 38th continuous game breaking the NL hitting streak record of 37 in a row by Tommy Holmes. Scored by my dad, even circling the hit Rose had in the 3rd to break the record.

Those Mets were SO bad….what a lineup. Yikes.

[HankAaron755]

Hi All - I need some advice on if getting a program autographed is worth the investment of purchasing a players signature.

I have a handful of 1978 opening day weekend programs that featured the Giants vs. Padres. The significance of this program is Ozzie Smith’s MLB debut occurred during this series.

While none of the programs are scored, which means I can’t state for certain if the program is aligned with his debut, I know they are from the series in which he debuted.

If I were to get him to autograph these programs, would collectors actually purchase them for above the cost of obtaining his signature (around $100)? I’ll be keeping one for myself, but just curious what others thought the value may be worth?

For comparison, the same program that was scored from his debut game and signed “MLB Debut” by Ozzie sold on eBay this summer for $500.

[doug.goodman]

I'm probably not the best person to answer your question, because I only collect scored programs and I don't particularly care for autographs, but...

I believe you are asking if a signed program that can be pinpointed to a particular series, but not necessarily a particular game, could potentially be worth the same as a signed program from the particular game?

I think you already know the answer to your question.

Doug


PS - while I appreciate the 'value' of a major league debut program, an argument could be made that a major league first hit program has similar, or possibly greater, value.

[HankAaron755]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I'm probably not the best person to answer your question, because I only collect scored programs and I don't particularly care for autographs, but...

I believe you are asking if a signed program that can be pinpointed to a particular series, but not necessarily a particular game, could potentially be worth the same as a signed program from the particular game?

I think you already know the answer to your question.

Doug


PS - while I appreciate the 'value' of a major league debut program, an argument could be made that a major league first hit program has similar, or possibly greater, value.

Hi Doug,

I appreciate the reply on this. I know the value of the signed program would not fetch as much as scored debut program. I guess my question is would it be worth getting signed to make a profit? Seems like most people would only want the genuine scored debut program, so leaning towards not worth having them all signed and only the one for my PC.

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by HankAaron755

Hi Doug,

I appreciate the reply on this. I know the value of the signed program would not fetch as much as scored debut program. I guess my question is would it be worth getting signed to make a profit? Seems like most people would only want the genuine scored debut program, so leaning towards not worth having them all signed and only the one for my PC.

Having it signed for your own collection seems like a great choice to me. It will never be worth less than what you paid for it, and you will never regret that it hasn't soared in value should you ever decide to sell it!

[doug.goodman]

The combination of the name of the OP in the current conversation and another thread about tickets reminded me that I have this program, which I hope I haven't posted before, from Opening Day 1954

[jethrod3]

I got this one recently, but admittedly I almost passed on it. It was probably scored by a kid or someone unfamiliar with the names of the players, and apparently without any attempt to try to score the game the way most might have typically done it. In fact, every out is indicated by a "K." That's ironic because in this particular game, we had a 11-inning dual between Koufax and Bunning that resulted in 28 K's between them (Koufax had 16) before the relievers were called in for the 12th inning.

With this game, according to SABR, Koufax moved up on the all-time strikeout list to 10th passing Grove on the way, and it also gave him 200 K's for the 6th straight year. Lastly, it was also apparently the first time 2 pitchers met that had each thrown a perfect game before.

What first caught my eye was all the K's that were written in the scorecard. It prompted me to do some research, and when I found out what an interesting game this was, I decided to get this scorecard!

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

I got this one recently, but admittedly I almost passed on it.

Forgot to upload the cover to the Koufax scorecard I posted directly above.

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

Forgot to upload the cover to the Koufax scorecard I posted directly above.

Sorry! Finally got it right!