Beware Carterscards2006

[BBSD]

Two grading services disagree and its the sellers fault. I agree its tied 1-1. If the card has been altered since the purchase why should the seller take it back, that would be terrible for him or her.

[Rich Klein]

Todd:

If this card had been graded by SGC with the same number grade as GAI, what is the worth of this card?

Rich

[rhettyeakley]

It seems like this post has "jumped the shark" a bit. I doubt Todd is going to be convinced to see things any other way, nor are those that seem to be disagreeing with him. At least it was interesting at the outset, now it seems to just be getting nasty.
-Rhett

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

David did you read the negs, one appears legit no pay, one looks like a misunderstand that got paid and the third is from a unregistered seller that Todd has canceled checks for.

Talk about spinning situations, heck you guys even got B& L involved and the only thing they have in common with this thread is that they sell graded cards.

As for why I asked the question to you it is exampled in the response. I am glad to hear that you have left negs, many did not for fear of retaliation.

It amazes me how questions asked such as my response, can be taken as attacks. Do what you must and think what you must, that's everyone's right.

Lee

[Rob D.]

I agree with Rhett.

[nolemmings]

David, I see you remain on a witchhunt. Believe me, this bull@#$% reflects much worse on you than it does on me. Ask anyone on this board--anyone, if they have had ever had anything other than a good transaction with me. I've partnered with many here on auction lots, even with thousands on the table, without anything but good results and smooth communications. How many here have dealt with you?

Yes, six years ago a so-called buddy wanted me to bid on 1971 Mattel football set for his kid, and then "changed his mind". Not seller's problem, but when I contacted her some days later (I had bid before I left town and won while gone) she read me the riot act before I could even explain and said she would neg me. At that point, I did indeed tell her to kiss my ass and fire away. I did not respond to her neg because I did in fact refuse to pay, although I have no idea where her story came from.

Other than that, I have backed out of zero deals--ZERO.

This @#$% has gone on long enough with some of you turds. I've been dealing with friends and others on this board long before you ever thought of coming over here, and will continue to do so long after you're gone. I don't need to nor will I explain my mailing practices, my professional life or anything else beyond what I have already. You don't like it then you too can kiss my ass.

[nolemmings]

Rich, I do not know what an SGC Stengel would go for in that or any other grade, other than to know what I might pay for it. I've had problems logging into VCP for a few months (no complaints Bobby, just haven't spent the time trying to get a new temp password). Maybe someone else can pull that info for you. I know my bid was just under $1500, and I won it for far less.

[CMIZ5290]

My god, please someone end this thread. Todd, the bottom line is you bought a gai card without any money back guarantee. All other crap expressed in this thread is irrelevant.

[CMIZ5290]

I can't imagine an sgc graded card bringing more than 1500-2000, psa different story.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

My god, please someone end this thread. Todd, the bottom line is you bought a gai card without any money back guarantee. All other crap expressed in this thread is irrelevant.

The way ebay/Paypal is currently structured, every purchase has a money back guarantee. It doesn't matter what the seller said. That's the way ebay is.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by BBSD

Two grading services disagree and its the sellers fault. I agree its tied 1-1. If the card has been altered since the purchase why should the seller take it back, that would be terrible for him or her.

BBSD,

Reading comprehension may nor be your strong suit. The card has NOT been altered since the purchase. It is exactly the same.

[CMIZ5290]

jim- i think bbsd meant if it had been cracked out, altered, and then sent to sgc

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

jim- i think bbsd meant if it had been cracked out, altered, and then sent to sgc

I know what he meant. But from his comment, it's clear he either didn't read, or didn't understand this thread. The card is still in the original holder, and it says so in the thread.

[CMIZ5290]

Then why in the hell doesn't paypal intervene and resolve the situation?

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Then why in the hell doesn't paypal intervene and resolve the situation?

They will. Once Todd has opened a case (I believe he has.) They will contact the seller and wait for his response. Then, regardless of what the seller thinks, they will tell Todd to return the card, with signature proof, and, when it's done. They will take the money from his account and credit Todd.

But Todd knows all that. He's a relatively intelligent guy. He started this thread to warn others of a seller with poor communication skills. Unfortunately, it has morphed into much more.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Turds? Kiss your ass? Witch hunt? Wow! Yes, it is a witch hunt - a witch hunt you started to smear a reputable eBay seller. Todd, at this point it is GAI's word against SGC's. The burden of proof is on you. Prove to me and the rest of us "turds" that the card is trimmed. If you can prove it, I'll admit I was wrong. If you can't prove it, you need to shut the hell up and quit whining.

[BlueDevil89]

I hereby post an open offer to buy all GAI pre-war graded cards of HOF players at VCP (VCP for GAI graded cards only, that is). I'll be cracking the cases and submitting the cards to SGC. Any cards that grade lower than the original GAI rating, I'll be returning to you for a full refund. I assume that you stand behind the GAI grades that are labelled on the slabs, and that you have closely inspected the cards through the plastic and are in agreement with GAI concerning their grades, and you are, therefore, not misrepresenting the cards in any way. If the cards come back from SGC lower by 2 grades or more or turn out to be trimmed, etc, I expect you to also cover all of my shipping charges, grading fees, etc.

Sounds like a foolproof plan, doesn't it --- you (the Sellers) take all the risk, and I (the Buyer) reap all the reward from the cards that successfully cross over. Your refund guarantee is my insurance policy.

Any takers?

[CMIZ5290]

well said chris

[CMIZ5290]

I also don't believe todd started this thread to warn other potential buyers. No offense, but i think it was to vent and it was out of anger that the card came back trimmed.

[BBSD]

VB you a class act, go pick a fight with somebody who cares.

[novakjr]

I have to remind myself to stop commenting on this board before I piss too many people off...It honestly isn't my intention, it just comes out that way....I won't be offering any apologies though.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Well??? I'm still waiting. You said you could prove it was trimmed, so do so.

Post #56 you said, "And vintagetoppsguy, your comment that I cannot "prove" that it was trimmed because two TPGs have differing opinions is simply incorrect."

So prove it big mouth. We're waiting.

Originally Posted by BBSD

VB you a class act, go pick a fight with somebody who cares.

I wont speak for Jim in this case as he has made a valid point about your dyslexia.



Seems that most of the people that are negative towards todd about this thing are "newbies" here. Why?? He bought a card and submitted it for re-slabbing only to find out the card may/is altered. Card is still in the GAI slab and a full refund is warranted. I would do the same. I don't have anything good to say about Carters due to some past issues also but who cares about that really. Sounds like they are to busy STEALING from you idiots that support this type of destructive behavior that destroy this great hobby.


Todd I wish you the best and hope all this works out for you.

[leaflover]

What if Ebay/Paypal changed their policy to allow buyers, of TPG cards, only 3 returns/refunds in a 12 month period. Just as a football coach needs to save
time-outs and referee play call challenges. A buyer then would have to ask himself should I really return this item? Or for that matter should I even buy it.

I also think bid retractions could be limited.

Just my 2 cents.

[bobbyw8469]

Sounds like a foolproof plan, doesn't it --- you (the Sellers) take all the risk, and I (the Buyer) reap all the reward from the cards that successfully cross over. Your refund guarantee is my insurance policy.

Chris, you hit the nail right on the head!! Ebay has a list of preapproved authenticators, but apparently they will contradict themselves and the 3rd party graders don't mean squat. This whole thing reeks with the problems that Ebay/TPGs fester.....

[CMIZ5290]

One question i have. If all this is true to protect the buyer about money back guarantees, then why in the hell is the market as crappy as it is on gai graded cards??? why not pay more money for them? what do you have to lose?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

One question i have. If all this is true to protect the buyer about money back guarantees, then why in the hell is the market as crappy as it is on gai graded cards??? why not pay more money for them? what do you have to lose?

Exactly. If we all took Todd's approach to this whole GAI mess, we could all get rich, by just forcing a return whenever things don't work out in the cross-over.

[novakjr]

And now thanks to Todd, the seller will be stuck with a card that has been publicly branded as trimmed, which may or may not be true. So let's see what's been covered in this thread. Carters knowingly sells altered, yet professionally graded cards.. Carters shills up his bidders.. Carters doesn't communicate at all.. None of which seems to be the case, with the exception of maybe the communication thing. Am I forgetting anything? All because Todd knowingly took a risk on an item that clearly stated no refunds, and it didn't work out the way he'd hoped so he's throwing a hissy fit about it.

Also, most people apparently haven't had any issues with the seller's communication up until you.. I'd honestly love to see the original email you sent the seller that warranted him to ignore you.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by novakjr

And now thanks to Todd, the seller will be stuck with a card that has been publicly branded as trimmed, which may or may not be true. So let's see what's been covered in this thread. Carters knowingly sells altered, yet professionally graded cards.. Carters shills up his bidders.. Carters doesn't communicate at all.. None of which seems to be the case, with the exception of maybe the communication thing. Am I forgetting anything? All because Todd knowingly took a risk on an item that clearly stated no refunds, and it didn't work out the way he'd hoped so he's throwing a hissy fit about it.

Also, most people apparently haven't had any issues with the seller's communication up until you.. I'd honestly love to see the original email you sent the seller that warranted him to ignore you.

What's your basis for saying that he is not shilling, in light of the statistics posted regarding another ID with well over 100 bids 97 percent of which were with the seller? EDIT TO CUT AND PASTE FROM POST 4:
Bidder Information
Bidder: s***n( 6 )
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description: Item Title: 1914 T222 Fatima GROVER ALEXANDER Graded PSA 5 EX
Bids on this item: 2
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 131
Items bid on: 92
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 97%
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 0

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's your basis for saying that he is not shilling, in light of the statistics posted regarding another ID with well over 100 bids 97 percent of which were with the seller?

I don't have any basis for saying that he's not shilling, but there isn't really a valid basis for saying that his either.

That buyer is still relatively new, let's give him a little more time before jumping to that conclusion. And aside from an SGC graded Cobb, the buyer seems to be targeting high grade PSA stuff. There was clearly ZERO shilling on Todd's auction. Also, if I remember correctly, Todd had a 81% bid history with this seller. Is he also helping this guy shill?

Anyways, I'm getting out of this thread for now, before I piss too many more people off.

[bcornell]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Carters shills up his bidders.. Carters doesn't communicate at all.. None of which seems to be the case

David N. -

A user with 6 feedback bids 127 times on this seller's cards and 4 times with other sellers in a 30-day period.

The only one who should apologize is the seller.


Bill

Edited to add: vintagetoppsguy is also David