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add Tony LaRussa to the list (love 'em or hate 'em he has managed over 5,000 games and has won 2 World Series.)
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Ahh Yes! I knew I was forgetting an obvious one...
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Steinbrenner will likely get in during the next go-around for executives.
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how many managers have won two world series and are not in the HOF?
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Danny Murtaugh, Ralph Houk, Cito Gaston, Tom Kelly, Torre and Larussa. Although, I'm pretty sure a few of these guys will drop off of this list. Last edited by novakjr; 06-26-2011 at 05:51 PM. |
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Now that I think about it, Frank Chance wasn't elected as a manager...Any chance this could happen, or would they just not even bother because he's already in as a player?
The inverse of that goes for Torre. If he were to get in as a manager, would they still pursue getting him in as a player? |
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Of current and recent managers, here are my thoughts:
Joe Torre and Bobby Cox should both get in on their 1st shot on the ballott. Both are legends of the modern era and are considered irreplaceble by their respective ballclubs. No brainers. After those two, I think LaRussa should get in as well and I'd even throw Lou Piniella in the mix. Lastly, I think Mike Scioscia will win at least more championship before he's done and will be in consideration one day. |
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To me Torre gets in based on the number of WS rings but come on now, you could have probably put just about any manager in that place and won those WS titles. Take away Torre's Yankee tenure and you have an average manager. Torre, without a doubt, will be remembered as an old school class act. I suppose you could put him in the HOF for making it through 12 years in the Yankee organization with George Steinbrenner. Torre certainly gets my vote into Cooperstown based on his lifetime acheivements in the game - lets not forget that as a player he was a 9x All Star with an MVP to his accomplishments.
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The Boss!!!! He changed the game forever (good or bad), every player should pay homage to what he did for them..... Last edited by tcdyess; 06-27-2011 at 11:25 AM. |
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Any thoughts on Ralph Houk, Billy Martin or Dusty Baker?
And I know this one will be a big stretch, but being a Cleveland fan I've gotta at least mention him. Mike Hargrove? From '94-'99 he was arguably "one of" the best managers in the league. I will say that I think his years in Baltimore and Seattle have hurt him a lot though... Which also leads me to one executive, John Hart? Those 90's Indians teams he put together were incredible...Sure no World Series wins, but 2 appearances, and 870-681 under Hart. He was also the Sporting News Executive of the Year in '94 and '95.. Now add a 3rd WS appearance while the Senior Adviser of Baseball Operations for the Rangers... This guy had an undeniable knack for scouting, whether it be through the draft or in trades for prospects.. |
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I always found it interesting that RC of Hall of Fame Managers (or cards in general of HOF managers) seem to be cheaper than their contemporary counterparts (with the exception of possibly Connie Mack). Managing in the majors and winning consistently has to be very difficult. Especially since the 1950s when managers and owners started splitting the ownership roles (Mack stuck around a long time because he owned the team)...Imagine a team keeping a manager after 13 losing seasons (also had a run of 10 losing seasons as well)?
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As far as I'm concerned, there are already too many suits in the Hall of Fame. As for Steinbrenner, it would warm my heart if he never got in. As for players deserving of induction, I say open the floodgates and start with Minnie Minoso ...
http://minnieminoso.blogspot.com/ |
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Since nobody has mentioned any umpires here's a fellow Kansan that I'd like to see get in. He's already in the Basketball Hall of fame and umpired more than a few baseball games. Ernest Quigley.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_C._Quigley
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At worst, he encouraged its usage, and at best he "turned a blind eye". Few could argue (with a straight face) that LaRussa was unaware of what was going on. If players like McGwire, Palmeiro and even Bagwell (who was never actually incriminated) are receiving incredibly low vote totals, shouldn't it stand to reason that LaRussa would as well? I know he's been a very successful Manager over the years, but seems to me that the same rules should apply. You can say he's managed over 5,000 games, but McGwire's hit a whole bunch of Home Runs (playing for both of LaRussa's teams) and he's not getting in anytime soon. I'm anticipating lots of dissenting opinions on this, but that's my 2 cents on LaRussa. |
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That's an interesting position on LaRussa. I'm probably in the minority in terms of steroid usage, as I don't get nearly as exorcised about it as some do (which is not meant to derail the thread and start the tired old debate about that issue), but I do agree that whatever the rules, they ought to apply across the board, to include managers, owners, executives and players. If players are to be penalized, so too should be those who facilitated usage and/or profited while knowing about it but turning a blind eye. That would obviously include every owner and manager, as well as the esteemed commissioner.
LOL, I gues the net result of that positon is almost no one associated with MLB in the 90's or 00's should be elected. I'm guessing that's not too likely to happen. Kenny Cole |
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Marvin Miller should already be in the HOF. I hope he is alive when he finally gets his due.
Would have to imagine Bud Selig will get a plaque someday as well. Love him or hate him, he has quite a bit of longevity and that seems to carry a lot of weight. Best, Andy |
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I agree with you 110% Chris
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With regard to Jim Leyland, he knows how to treat men with respect and players like to play for him, but please, PLEASE let us not include him for HOF consideration. Here in Detroit, we don't believe he ever really learned to make out a lineup. He doesn't seem to understand that putting your least productive hitters near the top of the lineup is absolutely counter-productive, because they get more at bats than those penned in lower in the order, and falls in love with certain players who have rarely been productive, playing them 3-4 times as often as he should, simply because they are equally bad at any number of postions in the field--can anyone say "Ryan Rugburn (oops--Rayburn)?" He also has a knack for resting young players just when they're really starting to hit their stride, then seems to be mystified when they've lost that groove after several needless games on the bench. He came up with what I call a "SALL," meaning a silly-ass Leyland lineup, just the other day, and when my wife asked why I wasn't watching the game, I told her that he had presented the lineup to the umpires at the start of the game, and they started laughing so hard they couldn't stop, and had to call the game! Great thread, though. Larry PS: I would put Torre and Bobby Cox in the HOF in a heartbeat! Last edited by ls7plus; 07-02-2011 at 11:25 PM. Reason: Torre and Cox; steroids and other misc. forms of cheating |
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Terrific post, Larry.... very well thought out, and nicely articulated. I would put both Cox and Torre in there as well (and agree that Baker is a resounding "no"!)
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Lefty O'Doul for the early contributions he made towards the growth of baseball in Japan ? |
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Now back to managers, I agree about Baker(I threw him out there for discussion), I really don't think he'll get in. Any thoughts on Ralph Houk or Danny Murtaugh? How about some owners for discussion. What about Phillip Wrigley? John Henry(I know it's early)? John Galbreath? Ted Turner? Here's an interesting ranking on owners..Aside from anyone I mentioned, are there any thoughts about anyone on this list? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5...in-mlb-history |
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